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> Sure, obviously this has nothing to do with a 40-year anti-nuclear policy. Ah, the good ol' French anti-nuclear policy: I remember when French intelligence b

> Sure, obviously this has nothing to do with a 40-year anti-nuclear policy. Ah, the good ol' French anti-nuclear policy: I remember when French intelligence blew up a ship belonging to a pro-nuclear lobby group. Wait, that was the Rainbow Warrior[0], which belonged to Greenpeace, en route to demonstrations against French nuclear tests 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior

lairv 4y ago
We're talking about nuclear power here, not weapons, I thought that was implicit, and no the two are not necessarily related
- sangnoir 4y ago
  > ..and no the two are not necessarily relate Perhaps as a thought experiment, but in practice the two are very much linked. I'll ask you the same question I asked sibling comment: can you name a country that is pro-nuclear weapons, but against nuclear power generation?
  - lairv 4y ago
    Isn't it the case of the US ?
    - sangnoir 4y ago
      The DoE, and the US government by extension has been consistently pro-nuclear-energy for decades.
llsf 4y ago
Blowing up nukes in middle of the Pacific ocean, has nothing to do with nuclear power generation. There is clearly a communication and educational issue around nuclear power.
- sangnoir 4y ago
  "Anti-nuclear policy" is self-explanatory, but I'll indulge you. Can you name a country that is pro-nuclear weapons, but against nuclear power generation? I can nama a couple that have reversed attitudes. Also, sinking protestor's ship goes beyond testing weapons, and is strong proof that France is pro-nuclear (weapons|energy)
  - llsf 4y ago
    Israel is one of those countries. Actually France helped Israel with nuclear bomb technology (1953) and yet Israel has no nuclear power plant to this day. France has been historically pro-nuclear for weapons, for dissuasion (after WW2) and for energy (no gas/oil/coal), But it changed on the energy side in the last 15 years. Not sure why the sentiment changed over time. Likely poor communication and education. Protestors (Rainbow Warrior) were protesting against the last nuclear tests (weapons) in the Pacific ocean in 1985. It had nothing to do with nuclear energy production in France. So yes France have had an anti-nuclear policy in the past 15 years leading to today where half of the 56 nuclear reactors are stopped. France needs to become pro-nuclear again, restart the current reactors ASAP, and start building more nuclear power plants to replace the aging ones. On the military side, Those nuclear weapons are for dissuasion. There are no more live tests (all simulation).
    - sangnoir 4y ago
      I disagree that France had an anti-nuclear policy, but good call on Israel, even though Israel's official position is to pretend it doesn't have nuclear weapons (or a nuclear program).

lairv 4y ago

We're talking about nuclear power here, not weapons, I thought that was implicit, and no the two are not necessarily related

sangnoir 4y ago
> ..and no the two are not necessarily relate Perhaps as a thought experiment, but in practice the two are very much linked. I'll ask you the same question I asked sibling comment: can you name a country that is pro-nuclear weapons, but against nuclear power generation?
- lairv 4y ago
  Isn't it the case of the US ?
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    The DoE, and the US government by extension has been consistently pro-nuclear-energy for decades.

llsf 4y ago

Blowing up nukes in middle of the Pacific ocean, has nothing to do with nuclear power generation. There is clearly a communication and educational issue around nuclear power.

sangnoir 4y ago
"Anti-nuclear policy" is self-explanatory, but I'll indulge you. Can you name a country that is pro-nuclear weapons, but against nuclear power generation? I can nama a couple that have reversed attitudes. Also, sinking protestor's ship goes beyond testing weapons, and is strong proof that France is pro-nuclear (weapons|energy)
- llsf 4y ago
  Israel is one of those countries. Actually France helped Israel with nuclear bomb technology (1953) and yet Israel has no nuclear power plant to this day. France has been historically pro-nuclear for weapons, for dissuasion (after WW2) and for energy (no gas/oil/coal), But it changed on the energy side in the last 15 years. Not sure why the sentiment changed over time. Likely poor communication and education. Protestors (Rainbow Warrior) were protesting against the last nuclear tests (weapons) in the Pacific ocean in 1985. It had nothing to do with nuclear energy production in France. So yes France have had an anti-nuclear policy in the past 15 years leading to today where half of the 56 nuclear reactors are stopped. France needs to become pro-nuclear again, restart the current reactors ASAP, and start building more nuclear power plants to replace the aging ones. On the military side, Those nuclear weapons are for dissuasion. There are no more live tests (all simulation).
  - sangnoir 4y ago
    I disagree that France had an anti-nuclear policy, but good call on Israel, even though Israel's official position is to pretend it doesn't have nuclear weapons (or a nuclear program).