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OK, let's go by your definition: "being less suicidal is a definition of happy" Preface: I believe gender dysphoria is real suffering. From the paper: [1] Ha
by engineer_22 4y ago
OK, let's go by your definition: "being less suicidal is a definition of happy"
Preface: I believe gender dysphoria is real suffering.
From the paper: [1]
Have You Ever Had [Pubertal Suppression] for Your Gender Identity or Gender Transition?
Yes, n=89, of which reported suicidal ideation in the last 12 months: 45 (50.6%)
No, n=3405, of which reported suicidal ideation in the last 12 months: 2204 (64.8%)
The paper [1] concludes "Among transgender adults in the United States who have wanted pubertal suppression, access to this treatment is associated with lower odds of lifetime suicidal ideation. This study strengthens recommendations by the Endocrine Society and WPATH for this treatment to be made available for transgender adolescents who want it."
I think the only conclusion we can make, is that we have some sick puppies on our hands, and they need our love and compassion. I do not the data gives us cause for celebration. I do not think the data makes a strong connection between hormonal treatment of children and long-term positive outcomes. I understand there is a chicken and egg problem here.
[1]https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/145/2/e20191725/68259/Pubertal-Suppression-for-Transgender-Youth-and https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/145/2/e20191...?
- 0ct4via 4y agoYou can't talk about love and compassion when you refer to other human beings as "sick puppies." You're missing the point entirely, and you're /not engaging in good faith/.
- engineer_22 4y ago"sick puppies" is a colloquialism. Sorry about that, not being disingenuous.
- 0ct4via 4y agoI'm aware it is a colloquialism -- could you at least try not being so condescending? You're absolutely being disingenuous, and the comment was derogatory and inappropriate regardless of how colloquial you may choose to see it as.
- engineer_22 4y agoIs there no room for levity?
- 0ct4via 4y agoIs there no room for referring to trans children with a modicum of respect? "Sick puppies" is condescension and mockery, not levity -- but as you continue to not engage in good faith, it seems you're clearly aware of that. The fact that you are unwilling or unable to engage with serious discussions with even basic respect shows how disingenuous you are. So no, when it comes to children's lives, there is no "levity" when it comes to referring to them as "sick puppies." Grow up.
- engineer_22 4y agoI've read your comment history. Many of your interlocutors have expressed exasperation when trying to engage with you. Please count me among them.
- 0ct4via 4y ago
- dang 4y agoPlease don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes everything worse. You posted over 40 comments in this flamewar and repeatedly broke the site guidelines. That's way over the top, and not at all ok. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- engineer_22 4y agoI didn't mean to offend you. Clearly we cannot continue our discussion, as we've strayed far from anything interesting. Good bye.