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Yeah hard disagree. Having fixed px values doesn't mean the page is less accessible. For sufficiently complex layouts you will always have to mix px, em, and r

Yeah hard disagree. Having fixed px values doesn't mean the page is less accessible. For sufficiently complex layouts you will always have to mix px, em, and rem. Examples of things that should not scale with the root font size and usually set with px/em are layout elements like headers, footers, etc. as well as components like buttons, labels, icons, etc. Those should only scale with screen size so the page doesn't turn into an incomprehensible mess.

cosmotic 4y ago
Hard disagree. Those elements should all be easier to read when you scale the text size up. If your page can't scale without becoming an incomprehensible mess, then take it back to the design team.
- sublinear 4y ago
  No that's what page zoom is for. When you change the text size in your browser... that's for text.
  - cosmotic 4y ago
    Almost all those things you listed include text.
blep_ 4y ago
> components like buttons, labels ... components like labels, which consist entirely of text, should not scale with the font size?
shakna 4y ago
Absolutely disagree. What is the point of scaling and accessibility, if I can't make your labels, buttons and footers readable? I can't fix my sight, but you could adapt it so I'm not guessing.
- mrj 4y ago
  The button text should get bigger if you increase the font size (obviously) but it doesn't always make sense to also scale the button's padding or shadow effect with the text, for example. As the text gets larger, most designs have to sacrifice space to make it work. Often this can be accomplished by fixing the size of pretty pixels that don't take away from usability. It's only a way to help ensure the design scales. Otherwise it would be no different than zoom, as others have said.
  - shakna 4y ago
    Perhaps you're not used to accessibility? There is a very vast chasm between zoom, and a responsive design that can scale to the base font size. One can break context, and make it more difficult to follow the flow of content. The other maintains context and flow, and is easier to interact with.

cosmotic 4y ago

Hard disagree. Those elements should all be easier to read when you scale the text size up. If your page can't scale without becoming an incomprehensible mess, then take it back to the design team.

sublinear 4y ago
No that's what page zoom is for. When you change the text size in your browser... that's for text.
- cosmotic 4y ago
  Almost all those things you listed include text.

blep_ 4y ago

> components like buttons, labels ... components like labels, which consist entirely of text, should not scale with the font size?

shakna 4y ago

Absolutely disagree. What is the point of scaling and accessibility, if I can't make your labels, buttons and footers readable? I can't fix my sight, but you could adapt it so I'm not guessing.

mrj 4y ago
The button text should get bigger if you increase the font size (obviously) but it doesn't always make sense to also scale the button's padding or shadow effect with the text, for example. As the text gets larger, most designs have to sacrifice space to make it work. Often this can be accomplished by fixing the size of pretty pixels that don't take away from usability. It's only a way to help ensure the design scales. Otherwise it would be no different than zoom, as others have said.
- shakna 4y ago
  Perhaps you're not used to accessibility? There is a very vast chasm between zoom, and a responsive design that can scale to the base font size. One can break context, and make it more difficult to follow the flow of content. The other maintains context and flow, and is easier to interact with.