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both apple and microsoft are bad, and yet apple managed to make a better laptop, cherry on the top, with ARM!

by Kukumber 4y ago

phpisthebest 4y ago
Microsoft does not really pretend to be good
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  It is surprising how long some things can survive beyond their due date. As a parallel; everyone knew the Soviet system was rubbish, beyond fixing, but stuck with a shrugging, de-facto acceptance of something nobody believed in and couldn't change. It was the momentum of stubborn ideology and resignation that kept it going. To me, Microsoft represent a similar failure mode unique to capitalism, where pure momentum of accumulated capital can prop up a dead company. In their heyday Microsoft were so successful and made so much money that today a mixture of memories, brand nostalgia and bought influence can keep the show going despite an abysmal product.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    In the consumer market that is probally true Microsoft is still king of Enterprise because of vertical integration, centralized management / security tooling, and Microsoft Excel (which really has no competitor) Linux and Apple both lack the centralized end point management / identity / and configuration that AD, Azure AD, Group Policy, ConfigMgr, etc offer for the windows platform
    - nonrandomstring 4y ago
      I think you're right, but that further confirms my understanding of Microsoft as king of the hill of centralised, moribund, managed mindset facing a diverse, dispersed, interoperable zero-trust future.
      - phpisthebest 4y ago
        Zero Trust is all the rage in Silicon Valley, and Startups... Zero Trust has almost zero traction outside of the tech sector from what I can see. Microsoft has even dipped their toes into the market, and some pieces of their "zero trust" type of tooling as gain some adoption (like Autopilot), but for the I think we are atleast a 10 decade or more away from wide scale Zero Trust adoption is most organizations, and in some ways IPv6 has a greater chance because it likely will be forced on organizations in the next decade where zero trust will not be Never underestimate the power of "we have always done it this way"
- Kukumber 4y ago
  They do pretend to be good when they lobby European and other foreign governments or when they bribe them [1,2,3,4] [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-settlement-idUSKCN1UH1P3 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-settlement-idUS... [2] - https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/microsoft_accused_of_corrupt_business/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/microsoft_accused_of_... [3] - https://emerging-europe.com/news/microsoft-pays-25-million-us-dollars-to-settle-hungarian-corruption-investigation/ https://emerging-europe.com/news/microsoft-pays-25-million-u... [4] - https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-accused-of-spending-hundreds-of-millions-on-bribes-to-win-business-deals/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-accused...

both apple and microsoft are bad, and yet apple managed to make a better laptop, cherry on the top, with ARM!

phpisthebest 4y ago

Microsoft does not really pretend to be good

nonrandomstring 4y ago
It is surprising how long some things can survive beyond their due date. As a parallel; everyone knew the Soviet system was rubbish, beyond fixing, but stuck with a shrugging, de-facto acceptance of something nobody believed in and couldn't change. It was the momentum of stubborn ideology and resignation that kept it going. To me, Microsoft represent a similar failure mode unique to capitalism, where pure momentum of accumulated capital can prop up a dead company. In their heyday Microsoft were so successful and made so much money that today a mixture of memories, brand nostalgia and bought influence can keep the show going despite an abysmal product.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  In the consumer market that is probally true Microsoft is still king of Enterprise because of vertical integration, centralized management / security tooling, and Microsoft Excel (which really has no competitor) Linux and Apple both lack the centralized end point management / identity / and configuration that AD, Azure AD, Group Policy, ConfigMgr, etc offer for the windows platform
  - nonrandomstring 4y ago
    I think you're right, but that further confirms my understanding of Microsoft as king of the hill of centralised, moribund, managed mindset facing a diverse, dispersed, interoperable zero-trust future.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      Zero Trust is all the rage in Silicon Valley, and Startups... Zero Trust has almost zero traction outside of the tech sector from what I can see. Microsoft has even dipped their toes into the market, and some pieces of their "zero trust" type of tooling as gain some adoption (like Autopilot), but for the I think we are atleast a 10 decade or more away from wide scale Zero Trust adoption is most organizations, and in some ways IPv6 has a greater chance because it likely will be forced on organizations in the next decade where zero trust will not be Never underestimate the power of "we have always done it this way"
Kukumber 4y ago
They do pretend to be good when they lobby European and other foreign governments or when they bribe them [1,2,3,4] [1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-settlement-idUSKCN1UH1P3 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-settlement-idUS... [2] - https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/microsoft_accused_of_corrupt_business/ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/25/microsoft_accused_of_... [3] - https://emerging-europe.com/news/microsoft-pays-25-million-us-dollars-to-settle-hungarian-corruption-investigation/ https://emerging-europe.com/news/microsoft-pays-25-million-u... [4] - https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-accused-of-spending-hundreds-of-millions-on-bribes-to-win-business-deals/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/microsoft-accused...