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>some of the staunchest woke people I know... What does "woke" mean in this context? I'm not being snarky here, I'm just curious how you're defining the term.

>some of the staunchest woke people I know... What does "woke" mean in this context? I'm not being snarky here, I'm just curious how you're defining the term. Especially since I've heard so many conflicting definitions that It's not clear what someone means by "woke" in most contexts except as a counterpoint to "asleep." Does it mean a belief in equal rights/treatment/opportunities for all sentient beings? Does it mean a belief that all those of European extraction are racist, slave-mongering monsters? Does it mean a belief that Marxism is the only acceptable political ideology? I've heard all of the above (and more) as "definitions" of "woke," with so much variation as to make the term useless. So if you wouldn't mind, please provide your definition of the term so I actually have some idea what the hell you're going on about. Thanks!

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago
I won't answer for op, but that's a big offense you seem to have taken. All those questions but you aren't actually asking anything. It's possible that they are trying to communicate something you are demonstrating as a practice?
- nobody9999 4y ago
  >I won't answer for op, but that's a big offense you seem to have taken. All those questions but you aren't actually asking anything. Offense? Not sure how you got from confusion about defining terms to "offense." >It's possible that they are trying to communicate something you are demonstrating as a practice? My concern here is a lack of clear definition of the term. Which is required in order to have a reasonable discussion. What, exactly, do you believe I'm "demonstrating as a practice"? Critical thinking? Edit: Fixed prose.
poszlem 4y ago
I use it as a catch all term for people who "are into" Critical Social Justice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynical_Theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynical_Theories).
- pstuart 4y ago
  It seems to be primarily as a slur now. I go by the initial Webster's definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke -- "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)" By that definition I consider myself to be woke. Aware and care. Easy peasy. I've seen this game played before, and it was called "politically correct": take well intended movement, find egregious examples of it being applied, and then make those examples the definition of the movement. It looks like you're doing exactly that (the word soup of your wiki link at least implies that).
  - 0ct4via 4y ago
    Precisely that. While it has a clear definition, by and large anyone using the term "woke" these days is dogwhistling, and using it as a slur. The fact that accusing you of caring about society and intersectional justice is supposedly insulting to some people, is really quite remarkable. It's not insulting to be "woke," but it's certainly telling with folk like the commenter above use it as a slur.
    - pstuart 4y ago
      Looks like you got downvoted too. The fact that they dance around the core concept without acknowledging that the problem exists is something that still makes me SMDH. It's one thing to be ignorant by virtue of an absence of information, but to remain willingly so in the face of obvious evidence is shameful.
  - anon291 4y ago
    > take well intended movement, find egregious examples of it being applied, and then make those examples the definition of the movement. This is basically what people do to the Christian religion. Find egregious preachers who buy luxury yachts and sportscars; ignore all the good work; and use the worst examples as emblematic of the whole thing. Or what happened with Islam and the terrorism stuff in the 2000s.

SV_BubbleTime 4y ago

I won't answer for op, but that's a big offense you seem to have taken. All those questions but you aren't actually asking anything. It's possible that they are trying to communicate something you are demonstrating as a practice?

nobody9999 4y ago
>I won't answer for op, but that's a big offense you seem to have taken. All those questions but you aren't actually asking anything. Offense? Not sure how you got from confusion about defining terms to "offense." >It's possible that they are trying to communicate something you are demonstrating as a practice? My concern here is a lack of clear definition of the term. Which is required in order to have a reasonable discussion. What, exactly, do you believe I'm "demonstrating as a practice"? Critical thinking? Edit: Fixed prose.

poszlem 4y ago

I use it as a catch all term for people who "are into" Critical Social Justice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynical_Theories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynical_Theories).

pstuart 4y ago
It seems to be primarily as a slur now. I go by the initial Webster's definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke -- "aware of and actively attentive to important societal facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)" By that definition I consider myself to be woke. Aware and care. Easy peasy. I've seen this game played before, and it was called "politically correct": take well intended movement, find egregious examples of it being applied, and then make those examples the definition of the movement. It looks like you're doing exactly that (the word soup of your wiki link at least implies that).
- 0ct4via 4y ago
  Precisely that. While it has a clear definition, by and large anyone using the term "woke" these days is dogwhistling, and using it as a slur. The fact that accusing you of caring about society and intersectional justice is supposedly insulting to some people, is really quite remarkable. It's not insulting to be "woke," but it's certainly telling with folk like the commenter above use it as a slur.
  - pstuart 4y ago
    Looks like you got downvoted too. The fact that they dance around the core concept without acknowledging that the problem exists is something that still makes me SMDH. It's one thing to be ignorant by virtue of an absence of information, but to remain willingly so in the face of obvious evidence is shameful.
- anon291 4y ago
  > take well intended movement, find egregious examples of it being applied, and then make those examples the definition of the movement. This is basically what people do to the Christian religion. Find egregious preachers who buy luxury yachts and sportscars; ignore all the good work; and use the worst examples as emblematic of the whole thing. Or what happened with Islam and the terrorism stuff in the 2000s.