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I've never seen either of them endorse a conservative policy? Let me know if I missed one, I haven't audited everything they ever wrote. You're highlighting t

I've never seen either of them endorse a conservative policy? Let me know if I missed one, I haven't audited everything they ever wrote. You're highlighting them needling the democratic line on "news cycle of the week" type things, and I agree they do that. Re: "the left" vs democrats, I think taibbi was writing for a general audience who doesn't make a distinction there.

skinnymuch 4y ago
> conservative policies They aren’t politicians. They don’t have policies. Right wing agitprop can be done by non policy journos. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1414595359368691712 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1414595359368691712 You can’t love libsoftiktok and not be on the right. — I’m highlighting them being some level of propaganda mouth pieces (probably for their own fatter check sizes) for the right. Highlighting Dem stuff repeatedly makes that clear. Mixing the left and Dems makes it even worse. They know what they are talking about. They know blurring the left and Dems helps the right. That’s one of the main right wing GOP cornerstones. Pretend Biden or Harris are on the left. That moves the Overton window to the right or doesn’t let it budge. This is also another conservative policy. Policy being —- make liberals, Dem voters/politicians, and the left into one bogeyman. Which provides multiple benefits to the right.
- woooooo 4y ago
  Yeah, they and I just don't see the "propaganda" thing like you do. You seem to view it as a zero-sum, with us or against us thing. And there may be some validity to that with the realities of politics. But if someone had never once said "I like conservatives" or supported a single conservative policy plank, it's wrong to call them conservative. You could call them insufficiently loyal and I think they'd agree with that. But on stuff that matters for longer than a 24h news cycle they're consistently liberal. Taibbi, for example, wrote an entire book about Eric Garner's killing, documenting a ton of NYPD corruption in the process.. and has also spent a bunch of time making fun of embarrassing weepy SJWs on Twitter.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    > us or against us Who is us? I was never on the same side as either of these people. Even 5 or 10 years ago. > wrong to call them conservative Libsoftiktok is literally a right wing HATE account/community. Greenwald loves it. > insufficiently loyal Loyal to what? I don’t like Democrats…they don’t either.
    - woooooo 4y ago
      I'm pretty sure both of them voted Bernie and then Biden based on how they talked about candidates. So you kind or are on the same side at the end of the day, Twitter drama notwithstanding. (Unless you voted green)
      - skinnymuch 4y ago
        I would never vote for Biden. Can we agree on the far more important issue of libsoftiktok being a right wing conservative account that is loved by Greenwald? Spreading bigotry and hatred. Smh.
        woooooo 4y ago
        Joe Rogan supported Bernie, too :) The thing that Bernie understood and most libs don't is that we can be united on class issues or divided on culture war issues. We lose with the latter. I've never seen libsoftiktok and I don't read a lot of Greenwald lately. I like Taibbi and subscribe to him.
        skinnymuch 4y ago
        https://www.thebulwark.com/no-you-do-not-have-a-constitutional-right-to-post-hunter-bidens-dick-pic-on-twitter/ https://www.thebulwark.com/no-you-do-not-have-a-constitution... Taibbi seems to have found..not much. So he’s a bunch of BS too. I don’t trust what you’re saying at this point. I’m sure you’ll figure out some way to contest things. Once I nailed down Greenwald down you hand waved it away. I wouldn’t remain friends or defensive of someone who publicly supports a hate account/community. That says enough to me about Taibbi and how he sees Greenwald.

skinnymuch 4y ago

> conservative policies They aren’t politicians. They don’t have policies. Right wing agitprop can be done by non policy journos. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1414595359368691712 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1414595359368691712 You can’t love libsoftiktok and not be on the right. — I’m highlighting them being some level of propaganda mouth pieces (probably for their own fatter check sizes) for the right. Highlighting Dem stuff repeatedly makes that clear. Mixing the left and Dems makes it even worse. They know what they are talking about. They know blurring the left and Dems helps the right. That’s one of the main right wing GOP cornerstones. Pretend Biden or Harris are on the left. That moves the Overton window to the right or doesn’t let it budge. This is also another conservative policy. Policy being —- make liberals, Dem voters/politicians, and the left into one bogeyman. Which provides multiple benefits to the right.

woooooo 4y ago
Yeah, they and I just don't see the "propaganda" thing like you do. You seem to view it as a zero-sum, with us or against us thing. And there may be some validity to that with the realities of politics. But if someone had never once said "I like conservatives" or supported a single conservative policy plank, it's wrong to call them conservative. You could call them insufficiently loyal and I think they'd agree with that. But on stuff that matters for longer than a 24h news cycle they're consistently liberal. Taibbi, for example, wrote an entire book about Eric Garner's killing, documenting a ton of NYPD corruption in the process.. and has also spent a bunch of time making fun of embarrassing weepy SJWs on Twitter.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  > us or against us Who is us? I was never on the same side as either of these people. Even 5 or 10 years ago. > wrong to call them conservative Libsoftiktok is literally a right wing HATE account/community. Greenwald loves it. > insufficiently loyal Loyal to what? I don’t like Democrats…they don’t either.
  - woooooo 4y ago
    I'm pretty sure both of them voted Bernie and then Biden based on how they talked about candidates. So you kind or are on the same side at the end of the day, Twitter drama notwithstanding. (Unless you voted green)
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      I would never vote for Biden. Can we agree on the far more important issue of libsoftiktok being a right wing conservative account that is loved by Greenwald? Spreading bigotry and hatred. Smh.
      - woooooo 4y ago
        Joe Rogan supported Bernie, too :) The thing that Bernie understood and most libs don't is that we can be united on class issues or divided on culture war issues. We lose with the latter. I've never seen libsoftiktok and I don't read a lot of Greenwald lately. I like Taibbi and subscribe to him.
        skinnymuch 4y ago
        https://www.thebulwark.com/no-you-do-not-have-a-constitutional-right-to-post-hunter-bidens-dick-pic-on-twitter/ https://www.thebulwark.com/no-you-do-not-have-a-constitution... Taibbi seems to have found..not much. So he’s a bunch of BS too. I don’t trust what you’re saying at this point. I’m sure you’ll figure out some way to contest things. Once I nailed down Greenwald down you hand waved it away. I wouldn’t remain friends or defensive of someone who publicly supports a hate account/community. That says enough to me about Taibbi and how he sees Greenwald.