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> and then there's left or right as a matter of tribal loyalty and the news cycle of the week. I don't know what this means. How many people are included in th

> and then there's left or right as a matter of tribal loyalty and the news cycle of the week. I don't know what this means. How many people are included in this? Are you on the left or right under this specifications? Is everyone? If someone is defending Hunter Biden and the Dems, are they on the left here? Why would the left be the status quo? What about someone on the left who believes Hunter is not good, nor his family, nor the Dem party^^. How can both of these examples be on the left? > Taibbi and Greenwald haven't moved right on policy, they're still left of center and arguably to the left of the liberals who criticize them. > They just love pointing out inconsistencies from people who fight the news cycle battle week-to-week. They're contrarians, not conservatives. I find this hard to believe. Taibbi didn't need to begin the Twitter thread by writing the left then Dems in parenthesis. No need to muddy the waters by incorrectly using left when he knows what the left means and knows it does not mean the Dems. Meanwhile using that language is sure to stoke up the right. > They just love pointing out inconsistencies from people who fight the news cycle battle week-to-week. They're contrarians, not conservatives. There's actual people doing this. That are picking apart both Dem and Repub inconsistencies and showing both establishments are not good. This contrasts Taibbi and Greenwald. Greenwald specifically has clearly been moving more and more to the right. At least publicly. Who knows how much of a grift all of this is. I can always check Fox News (which is just as bad as regularly going on CNN) next week and see Greenwald on again ^^This could be considered being a contrarian.

woooooo 4y ago
I've never seen either of them endorse a conservative policy? Let me know if I missed one, I haven't audited everything they ever wrote. You're highlighting them needling the democratic line on "news cycle of the week" type things, and I agree they do that. Re: "the left" vs democrats, I think taibbi was writing for a general audience who doesn't make a distinction there.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  > conservative policies They aren’t politicians. They don’t have policies. Right wing agitprop can be done by non policy journos. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1414595359368691712 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1414595359368691712 You can’t love libsoftiktok and not be on the right. — I’m highlighting them being some level of propaganda mouth pieces (probably for their own fatter check sizes) for the right. Highlighting Dem stuff repeatedly makes that clear. Mixing the left and Dems makes it even worse. They know what they are talking about. They know blurring the left and Dems helps the right. That’s one of the main right wing GOP cornerstones. Pretend Biden or Harris are on the left. That moves the Overton window to the right or doesn’t let it budge. This is also another conservative policy. Policy being —- make liberals, Dem voters/politicians, and the left into one bogeyman. Which provides multiple benefits to the right.
  - woooooo 4y ago
    Yeah, they and I just don't see the "propaganda" thing like you do. You seem to view it as a zero-sum, with us or against us thing. And there may be some validity to that with the realities of politics. But if someone had never once said "I like conservatives" or supported a single conservative policy plank, it's wrong to call them conservative. You could call them insufficiently loyal and I think they'd agree with that. But on stuff that matters for longer than a 24h news cycle they're consistently liberal. Taibbi, for example, wrote an entire book about Eric Garner's killing, documenting a ton of NYPD corruption in the process.. and has also spent a bunch of time making fun of embarrassing weepy SJWs on Twitter.
    - skinnymuch 4y ago
      > us or against us Who is us? I was never on the same side as either of these people. Even 5 or 10 years ago. > wrong to call them conservative Libsoftiktok is literally a right wing HATE account/community. Greenwald loves it. > insufficiently loyal Loyal to what? I don’t like Democrats…they don’t either.
      - woooooo 4y ago
        I'm pretty sure both of them voted Bernie and then Biden based on how they talked about candidates. So you kind or are on the same side at the end of the day, Twitter drama notwithstanding. (Unless you voted green)
        skinnymuch 4y ago
        I would never vote for Biden. Can we agree on the far more important issue of libsoftiktok being a right wing conservative account that is loved by Greenwald? Spreading bigotry and hatred. Smh.
        woooooo 4y ago
        Joe Rogan supported Bernie, too :) The thing that Bernie understood and most libs don't is that we can be united on class issues or divided on culture war issues. We lose with the latter. I've never seen libsoftiktok and I don't read a lot of Greenwald lately. I like Taibbi and subscribe to him.

woooooo 4y ago

I've never seen either of them endorse a conservative policy? Let me know if I missed one, I haven't audited everything they ever wrote. You're highlighting them needling the democratic line on "news cycle of the week" type things, and I agree they do that. Re: "the left" vs democrats, I think taibbi was writing for a general audience who doesn't make a distinction there.

skinnymuch 4y ago
> conservative policies They aren’t politicians. They don’t have policies. Right wing agitprop can be done by non policy journos. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1414595359368691712 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1414595359368691712 You can’t love libsoftiktok and not be on the right. — I’m highlighting them being some level of propaganda mouth pieces (probably for their own fatter check sizes) for the right. Highlighting Dem stuff repeatedly makes that clear. Mixing the left and Dems makes it even worse. They know what they are talking about. They know blurring the left and Dems helps the right. That’s one of the main right wing GOP cornerstones. Pretend Biden or Harris are on the left. That moves the Overton window to the right or doesn’t let it budge. This is also another conservative policy. Policy being —- make liberals, Dem voters/politicians, and the left into one bogeyman. Which provides multiple benefits to the right.
- woooooo 4y ago
  Yeah, they and I just don't see the "propaganda" thing like you do. You seem to view it as a zero-sum, with us or against us thing. And there may be some validity to that with the realities of politics. But if someone had never once said "I like conservatives" or supported a single conservative policy plank, it's wrong to call them conservative. You could call them insufficiently loyal and I think they'd agree with that. But on stuff that matters for longer than a 24h news cycle they're consistently liberal. Taibbi, for example, wrote an entire book about Eric Garner's killing, documenting a ton of NYPD corruption in the process.. and has also spent a bunch of time making fun of embarrassing weepy SJWs on Twitter.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    > us or against us Who is us? I was never on the same side as either of these people. Even 5 or 10 years ago. > wrong to call them conservative Libsoftiktok is literally a right wing HATE account/community. Greenwald loves it. > insufficiently loyal Loyal to what? I don’t like Democrats…they don’t either.
    - woooooo 4y ago
      I'm pretty sure both of them voted Bernie and then Biden based on how they talked about candidates. So you kind or are on the same side at the end of the day, Twitter drama notwithstanding. (Unless you voted green)
      - skinnymuch 4y ago
        I would never vote for Biden. Can we agree on the far more important issue of libsoftiktok being a right wing conservative account that is loved by Greenwald? Spreading bigotry and hatred. Smh.
        woooooo 4y ago
        Joe Rogan supported Bernie, too :) The thing that Bernie understood and most libs don't is that we can be united on class issues or divided on culture war issues. We lose with the latter. I've never seen libsoftiktok and I don't read a lot of Greenwald lately. I like Taibbi and subscribe to him.