maybe as a compromise, there's some good languages on top of those stacks. F# exists. You get a lot of the good features that people mention about Rust in this

maybe as a compromise, there's some good languages on top of those stacks. F# exists. You get a lot of the good features that people mention about Rust in this thread without the headaches mentioned in the article. Expressive GC languages within the major ecosystems exist, no need to reach for a systems language for a web app just because you want the modern, high level features.