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> and am quite alarmed by any form of thinking-for-you as I'd prefer to think for myself. This is a common refrain from people that think Bill Gates is inserti

> and am quite alarmed by any form of thinking-for-you as I'd prefer to think for myself. This is a common refrain from people that think Bill Gates is inserting microchips into their brains and everyone else are sheeple that need to wake up. The problem is nobody can entirely think for themselves. People are manipulated by advertising and propaganda which reprograms on a subconcious basis to the point they will not be able to accept basic verifiable facts, let alone anything more complicated.

twelve40 4y ago
> People are manipulated by advertising and propaganda So do you propose we double-down on this, with the help of the government? I'm ok with that, since I believe there is 0 chance anyone can do anything about it. But we can at least stop being two-faced about it.
SXX 4y ago
Yeah there are people affected by propoganda and misinformation, but do you think government-level censorshop is good solution for this? 15 years ago in Russia repressions bagan with lagislation to "protect childern from information on internet".
dekken_ 4y ago
> The problem is nobody can entirely think for themselves. Good luck proving that.
zosima 4y ago
So you are saying that everyone is being manipulated, and your in-group's manipulation must have first priority? How about removing the log from you own eye, before attempting to remove the speck from your neighbour's eye?
slackfan 4y ago
"Because I cannot think for myself therefore everybody cannot think for themselves."
brainchild-adam 4y ago
> The problem is nobody can entirely think for themselves. People are manipulated by advertising and propaganda which reprograms on a subconcious basis to the point they will not be able to accept basic verifiable facts, let alone anything more complicated. Could you point me towards any supporting evidence or fleshed-out theories regarding your conclusion in the second sentence of my quote? I find it difficult to go from "advertising and propaganda", which clearly exist and which can be argued to have an effect, to completely losing the ability to "accept basic verifiable facts".
- jasonjayr 4y ago
  "Flat Earthers" are an example that readily comes to mind as a group of folks who are lose or actively deny the ability to "accept basic verifiable facts".
  - brainchild-adam 4y ago
    I fail to understand how this example argues for the claim I was questioning. Am I missing something?

twelve40 4y ago

> People are manipulated by advertising and propaganda So do you propose we double-down on this, with the help of the government? I'm ok with that, since I believe there is 0 chance anyone can do anything about it. But we can at least stop being two-faced about it.

SXX 4y ago

Yeah there are people affected by propoganda and misinformation, but do you think government-level censorshop is good solution for this? 15 years ago in Russia repressions bagan with lagislation to "protect childern from information on internet".

dekken_ 4y ago

> The problem is nobody can entirely think for themselves. Good luck proving that.

zosima 4y ago

So you are saying that everyone is being manipulated, and your in-group's manipulation must have first priority? How about removing the log from you own eye, before attempting to remove the speck from your neighbour's eye?

slackfan 4y ago

"Because I cannot think for myself therefore everybody cannot think for themselves."

brainchild-adam 4y ago

> The problem is nobody can entirely think for themselves. People are manipulated by advertising and propaganda which reprograms on a subconcious basis to the point they will not be able to accept basic verifiable facts, let alone anything more complicated. Could you point me towards any supporting evidence or fleshed-out theories regarding your conclusion in the second sentence of my quote? I find it difficult to go from "advertising and propaganda", which clearly exist and which can be argued to have an effect, to completely losing the ability to "accept basic verifiable facts".

jasonjayr 4y ago
"Flat Earthers" are an example that readily comes to mind as a group of folks who are lose or actively deny the ability to "accept basic verifiable facts".
- brainchild-adam 4y ago
  I fail to understand how this example argues for the claim I was questioning. Am I missing something?