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Innocent until proven guilty. And again, the laptop is meaningless. Hunter is being investigated by the FBI. If the house wants to spend it’s time investigatin

Innocent until proven guilty. And again, the laptop is meaningless. Hunter is being investigated by the FBI. If the house wants to spend it’s time investigating a single individual fine I guess. But if influence of someone not in office being investigated is going to open the door wide to Trump and his kids.

koolba 4y ago
> Innocent until proven guilty. And again, the laptop is meaningless. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t mean the public cannot discuss the matter or present it’s opinion on the legality. The laptop isn’t meaningless. It’s a data dump of evidence of guilt. Everything from brandishing an illegally obtained firearm while under the influence of narcotics to admitting to taking a cut of deals on behalf of his father (“10% for the big guy”). > Hunter is being investigated by the FBI. If the house wants to spend it’s time investigating a single individual fine I guess. The House absolutely should look into these allegations. Because till now nobody had taken them seriously. > But if influence of someone not in office being investigated is going to open the door wide to Trump and his kids. The Trump hate is so strong that the left cannot even admit an investigation of corruption should be done into a meth addict who was clearly selling influence to his father without some kind of whataboutism. If there was actual Trump corruption, him and his whole family would be in prison by now. They’ve been investigating him non stop since 2015. But they haven’t found anything worthy of charges.
- ModernMech 4y ago
  > The laptop isn’t meaningless. Then you go on to list a bunch of meaningless things to me. Hunter Biden brandishing firearms and taking drugs is meaningless. He’s a private citizen. His problems are well known. The brandishing of the firearm thing is especially hilarious, because the people who are most concerned about taking down Hunter Biden wouldn’t even consider that a crime. Actually I take that back, Hunter Biden allegedly trading on his fathers name and giving kickbacks to “the big guy” has been normalized by the Trump family as standard operating procedure for top political families in this country. How are any Republicans even mad about this? Oh right, they are not. What’s really going on here is that Republicans hope the laptop will be to Biden as Whitewater was to Clinton, and Benghazi was to Hillary — the pretext that allows investigation, which will hopefully reveal or cause the other prey to make a mistake. That’s all this is, which is frustrating, because a total of 0 people involved in pushing this care about the things you listed as not meaningless and evidence of guilt. It’s just a political playbook that’s been run nationally 3 times already, at least. The fact not everyone can see through it is worrying. > the left cannot even admit an investigation of corruption should be done And yet, the FBI is investigating and Biden isn’t pressuring the AG or firing the director of the FBI as Trump did. But regardless, you say it’s about “Trump hate” and whataboutism but it’s really about normalization. Republicans shouldn’t be surprised people yawn about accusations of nepotism and self dealing after they told people for years it’s not a big deal. Why should anyone care about Republicans suddenly crying about self dealing now, after brushing it off for so long? > If there was actual Trump corruption, him and his whole family would be in prison by now. Trump was President since 2016 and was not only immune from prosecution, but it was found he used his position as President to obstruct the investigation into himself. People thought the system would be capable of quickly removing such an obvious tumor, but apparently only voters have enough power to do that. Apparently controlling the AG and DOJ is enough to keep one from being indicted, who knew? With most prosecutions of the scale that would be needed to take down someone as powerful as Trump taking years, Trump probably won’t see a courtroom for another 12-18 months.
  - koolba 4y ago
    > Then you go on to list a bunch of meaningless things to me. Hunter Biden brandishing firearms and taking drugs is meaningless. He’s a private citizen. His problems are well known. The brandishing of the firearm thing is especially hilarious, because the people who are most concerned about taking down Hunter Biden wouldn’t even consider that a crime. That's completely bullshit. Legal gun owners are the number of advocates for actually enforcing gun laws on the books. Not creating cockamamie new ones that go after cosmetic features or make criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens. Being a drug addict and purchasing or even being in possession of a firearm is a serious crime and it should be investigated. I guarantee you that 100/100 legal gun owners would endorse prosecuting drug addicts illegally in possession of firearms. The true hypocrisy is that while the left wants to disarm the populace, will not endorse doing so when it's one of there own that clearly should not be in possession of firearms. They want to throw the book at legal gun owners for some newly created minutiae, but won't endorse charging a literal meth addict brandishing a firearm with a felony. > Actually I take that back, Hunter Biden allegedly trading on his fathers name and giving kickbacks to “the big guy” has been normalized by the Trump family as standard operating procedure for top political families in this country. Great talking points with zero actual evidence. Like I said, if there was any actual evidence, there'd have been some charge in some jurisdiction by now. But there isn't. > How are any Republicans even mad about this? Oh right, they are not. What’s really going on here is that Republicans hope the laptop will be to Biden as Whitewater was to Clinton, and Benghazi was to Hillary — the pretext that allows investigation, which will hopefully reveal or cause the other prey to make a mistake. You see no issue with Hunter taking a cut on behalf of his dad in exchange for shaping policy? You don't see anything worthy of investigation in the $250K/month deal he was getting from that Ukraine gas company for his "expertise"? > That’s all this is, which is frustrating, because a total of 0 people involved in pushing this care about the things you listed as not meaningless and evidence of guilt. It’s just a political playbook that’s been run nationally 3 times already, at least. The fact not everyone can see through it is worrying. Clearly at least I care and the House majority that is going to take up the investigations. > And yet, the FBI is investigating and Biden isn’t pressuring the AG or firing the director of the FBI as Trump did. You mean the FBI that asked Facebook and Twitter to scrub the laptop story? > But regardless, you say it’s about “Trump hate” and whataboutism but it’s really about normalization. Republicans shouldn’t be surprised people yawn about accusations of nepotism and self dealing after they told people for years it’s not a big deal. Why should anyone care about Republicans suddenly crying about self dealing now, after brushing it off for so long? I've yet to see you point to any actual corruption. It's just the same, "Can't you see it! It's everywhere!!" over and over again. Show some actual corruption. Show an investigation that went somewhere. Show a charge that actually stuck. > Trump was President since 2016 and was not only immune from prosecution, but it was found he used his position as President to obstruct the investigation into himself. Immune from prosecution is not immune from investigation. They've investigated him non-stop for years and it has lead to nothing. If not, point to something meaningful. > People thought the system would be capable of quickly removing such an obvious tumor, but apparently only voters have enough power to do that. Referring to a human being as a cancerous growth is disgusting. You're clearly incapable of any kind of unbiased analysis. > Apparently controlling the AG and DOJ is enough to keep one from being indicted, who knew? Apparently absence of an indictment can only mean rampant corruption and the additional crime of a conspiracy by Trump to prevent an indictment. Read up on Occam's razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor > With most prosecutions of the scale that would be needed to take down someone as powerful as Trump taking years, Trump probably won’t see a courtroom for another 12-18 months. They've had all kinds of investigations for years. The truth, or I guess "sad truth" for you, is that there's nothing there to actually charge him with.
- jasonlotito 4y ago
  > The laptop isn’t meaningless. It’s a data dump of evidence of guilt. Chain of custody is a problem. > Everything from brandishing an illegally obtained firearm Conservatives supporting denying American's their right to bear arms. Gotcha. > while under the influence of narcotics So? > to admitting to taking a cut of deals on behalf of his father (“10% for the big guy”). Private citizen not in government. > The House absolutely should look into these allegations. Because till now nobody had taken them seriously. Gotcha. The FBI and Trump never took this seriously. > The Trump hate is so strong that the left cannot even admit an investigation of corruption should be done into a meth addict who was clearly selling influence to his father without some kind of whataboutism. Private citizens vs Government officials. Conservatives and their big government overreach and policies and their anti-1A stance. > If there was actual Trump corruption, him and his whole family would be in prison by now. So Clinton wasn't corrupt. Gotcha. Also, the investigations are still ongoing. See Taxes, for example. And all the previous charges filed against him and case after case he lost. But sure, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Flynn, Stone, and Cohen are nobody related to Trump. > They’ve been investigating him non stop since 2015. But they haven’t found anything worthy of charges. They've found evidence they could charge, but not enough they want to risk a trial on as it's not a "slam dunk" case. But hey, the Clintons are not corrupt, and the elections weren't stolen! Those are interesting points of view for you.

koolba 4y ago

> Innocent until proven guilty. And again, the laptop is meaningless. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t mean the public cannot discuss the matter or present it’s opinion on the legality. The laptop isn’t meaningless. It’s a data dump of evidence of guilt. Everything from brandishing an illegally obtained firearm while under the influence of narcotics to admitting to taking a cut of deals on behalf of his father (“10% for the big guy”). > Hunter is being investigated by the FBI. If the house wants to spend it’s time investigating a single individual fine I guess. The House absolutely should look into these allegations. Because till now nobody had taken them seriously. > But if influence of someone not in office being investigated is going to open the door wide to Trump and his kids. The Trump hate is so strong that the left cannot even admit an investigation of corruption should be done into a meth addict who was clearly selling influence to his father without some kind of whataboutism. If there was actual Trump corruption, him and his whole family would be in prison by now. They’ve been investigating him non stop since 2015. But they haven’t found anything worthy of charges.

ModernMech 4y ago
> The laptop isn’t meaningless. Then you go on to list a bunch of meaningless things to me. Hunter Biden brandishing firearms and taking drugs is meaningless. He’s a private citizen. His problems are well known. The brandishing of the firearm thing is especially hilarious, because the people who are most concerned about taking down Hunter Biden wouldn’t even consider that a crime. Actually I take that back, Hunter Biden allegedly trading on his fathers name and giving kickbacks to “the big guy” has been normalized by the Trump family as standard operating procedure for top political families in this country. How are any Republicans even mad about this? Oh right, they are not. What’s really going on here is that Republicans hope the laptop will be to Biden as Whitewater was to Clinton, and Benghazi was to Hillary — the pretext that allows investigation, which will hopefully reveal or cause the other prey to make a mistake. That’s all this is, which is frustrating, because a total of 0 people involved in pushing this care about the things you listed as not meaningless and evidence of guilt. It’s just a political playbook that’s been run nationally 3 times already, at least. The fact not everyone can see through it is worrying. > the left cannot even admit an investigation of corruption should be done And yet, the FBI is investigating and Biden isn’t pressuring the AG or firing the director of the FBI as Trump did. But regardless, you say it’s about “Trump hate” and whataboutism but it’s really about normalization. Republicans shouldn’t be surprised people yawn about accusations of nepotism and self dealing after they told people for years it’s not a big deal. Why should anyone care about Republicans suddenly crying about self dealing now, after brushing it off for so long? > If there was actual Trump corruption, him and his whole family would be in prison by now. Trump was President since 2016 and was not only immune from prosecution, but it was found he used his position as President to obstruct the investigation into himself. People thought the system would be capable of quickly removing such an obvious tumor, but apparently only voters have enough power to do that. Apparently controlling the AG and DOJ is enough to keep one from being indicted, who knew? With most prosecutions of the scale that would be needed to take down someone as powerful as Trump taking years, Trump probably won’t see a courtroom for another 12-18 months.
- koolba 4y ago
  > Then you go on to list a bunch of meaningless things to me. Hunter Biden brandishing firearms and taking drugs is meaningless. He’s a private citizen. His problems are well known. The brandishing of the firearm thing is especially hilarious, because the people who are most concerned about taking down Hunter Biden wouldn’t even consider that a crime. That's completely bullshit. Legal gun owners are the number of advocates for actually enforcing gun laws on the books. Not creating cockamamie new ones that go after cosmetic features or make criminals out of otherwise law abiding citizens. Being a drug addict and purchasing or even being in possession of a firearm is a serious crime and it should be investigated. I guarantee you that 100/100 legal gun owners would endorse prosecuting drug addicts illegally in possession of firearms. The true hypocrisy is that while the left wants to disarm the populace, will not endorse doing so when it's one of there own that clearly should not be in possession of firearms. They want to throw the book at legal gun owners for some newly created minutiae, but won't endorse charging a literal meth addict brandishing a firearm with a felony. > Actually I take that back, Hunter Biden allegedly trading on his fathers name and giving kickbacks to “the big guy” has been normalized by the Trump family as standard operating procedure for top political families in this country. Great talking points with zero actual evidence. Like I said, if there was any actual evidence, there'd have been some charge in some jurisdiction by now. But there isn't. > How are any Republicans even mad about this? Oh right, they are not. What’s really going on here is that Republicans hope the laptop will be to Biden as Whitewater was to Clinton, and Benghazi was to Hillary — the pretext that allows investigation, which will hopefully reveal or cause the other prey to make a mistake. You see no issue with Hunter taking a cut on behalf of his dad in exchange for shaping policy? You don't see anything worthy of investigation in the $250K/month deal he was getting from that Ukraine gas company for his "expertise"? > That’s all this is, which is frustrating, because a total of 0 people involved in pushing this care about the things you listed as not meaningless and evidence of guilt. It’s just a political playbook that’s been run nationally 3 times already, at least. The fact not everyone can see through it is worrying. Clearly at least I care and the House majority that is going to take up the investigations. > And yet, the FBI is investigating and Biden isn’t pressuring the AG or firing the director of the FBI as Trump did. You mean the FBI that asked Facebook and Twitter to scrub the laptop story? > But regardless, you say it’s about “Trump hate” and whataboutism but it’s really about normalization. Republicans shouldn’t be surprised people yawn about accusations of nepotism and self dealing after they told people for years it’s not a big deal. Why should anyone care about Republicans suddenly crying about self dealing now, after brushing it off for so long? I've yet to see you point to any actual corruption. It's just the same, "Can't you see it! It's everywhere!!" over and over again. Show some actual corruption. Show an investigation that went somewhere. Show a charge that actually stuck. > Trump was President since 2016 and was not only immune from prosecution, but it was found he used his position as President to obstruct the investigation into himself. Immune from prosecution is not immune from investigation. They've investigated him non-stop for years and it has lead to nothing. If not, point to something meaningful. > People thought the system would be capable of quickly removing such an obvious tumor, but apparently only voters have enough power to do that. Referring to a human being as a cancerous growth is disgusting. You're clearly incapable of any kind of unbiased analysis. > Apparently controlling the AG and DOJ is enough to keep one from being indicted, who knew? Apparently absence of an indictment can only mean rampant corruption and the additional crime of a conspiracy by Trump to prevent an indictment. Read up on Occam's razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor > With most prosecutions of the scale that would be needed to take down someone as powerful as Trump taking years, Trump probably won’t see a courtroom for another 12-18 months. They've had all kinds of investigations for years. The truth, or I guess "sad truth" for you, is that there's nothing there to actually charge him with.
jasonlotito 4y ago
> The laptop isn’t meaningless. It’s a data dump of evidence of guilt. Chain of custody is a problem. > Everything from brandishing an illegally obtained firearm Conservatives supporting denying American's their right to bear arms. Gotcha. > while under the influence of narcotics So? > to admitting to taking a cut of deals on behalf of his father (“10% for the big guy”). Private citizen not in government. > The House absolutely should look into these allegations. Because till now nobody had taken them seriously. Gotcha. The FBI and Trump never took this seriously. > The Trump hate is so strong that the left cannot even admit an investigation of corruption should be done into a meth addict who was clearly selling influence to his father without some kind of whataboutism. Private citizens vs Government officials. Conservatives and their big government overreach and policies and their anti-1A stance. > If there was actual Trump corruption, him and his whole family would be in prison by now. So Clinton wasn't corrupt. Gotcha. Also, the investigations are still ongoing. See Taxes, for example. And all the previous charges filed against him and case after case he lost. But sure, Manafort, Papadopoulos, Flynn, Stone, and Cohen are nobody related to Trump. > They’ve been investigating him non stop since 2015. But they haven’t found anything worthy of charges. They've found evidence they could charge, but not enough they want to risk a trial on as it's not a "slam dunk" case. But hey, the Clintons are not corrupt, and the elections weren't stolen! Those are interesting points of view for you.