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Anker might be great in your eyes, but they are deceptive scoundrels in mines. Simply youtube “Eufy leaks”. But yeah, back to the point… Amazon don’t appear to

Anker might be great in your eyes, but they are deceptive scoundrels in mines. Simply youtube “Eufy leaks”. But yeah, back to the point… Amazon don’t appear to want to fix this broken system or they’d have done it years ago. It still makes them money.

number6 4y ago
Thanks for the information
SpelingBeeChamp 4y ago
Mind explaining the “Eufy leaks” issue?
- zamalek 4y ago
  Linus Tech Tips with his Dunning-Kruger effect once again. They upload the data required for mobile notifications to a CDN, which any one of us would likely do. The other half of the controversy is that they upload a facial identifier for the same notification... if you have facial recognition for notifications turned on. The hook-up has a more informed take on the issue: https://youtu.be/a_rAXF_btvE https://youtu.be/a_rAXF_btvE. I'm not sure if he was previously a software engineer, but he certainly seems to understand the problem Eufy faced like one. My take-away is that they should have been more transparent about some form of upload being an unavoidable reality for mobile notifications in their marketing material.
  - tannedNerd 4y ago
    Ummm I’m pretty sure it’s related to the fact you can access unencrypted video streams from cameras that supposedly only have local recording. Or are you just trying to distract from that?
    - zamalek 4y ago
      Do you mean accessing anyone's camera remotely? Or are those recording on the same CDN, with expiring links?
  - netsharc 4y ago
    The excusing of Eufy's behavior is incredible... if you have to push something to the cloud, why not encrypt it instead of promising to encrypt "later". Since the device promises local capabilities it would be easy to setup an encryption key on it/on the phone and transfer it to the device over local wifi...
  - zamalek 4y ago
    With the new information we've been getting it definitely seems as though Eufy is in the wrong, especially given that URLs can be brute-forced.
ceejayoz 4y ago
I'll never understand how people go "just YouTube it". Sure, I'll sift through a bunch of search results to find a 54 minute video that makes the point you meant to reference 23 minutes in after four ads. Just give someone an actual link, to an actual article. Like this: https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/30/23486753/anker-eufy-security-camera-cloud-private-encryption-authentication-storage https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/30/23486753/anker-eufy-secu... > Despite claims of only using local storage with its security cameras, Eufy has been caught uploading identifiable footage to the cloud. And it’s even possible to view the camera streams using VLC. (Personally, this means I won't buy an Eufy camera, and it doesn't change the fact that Anker's chargers have been far better made and reliable than their competitors in my experience.)
- lostmsu 4y ago
  > And it’s even possible to view the camera streams using VLC. That sounds like RTSP to me, which makes the rest questionable.
- jinto36 4y ago
  Re: Anker chargers, a few perform pretty well but many are kind of middling. A friend has been doing a lot of reviews of these on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/c/AllThingsOnePlace https://www.youtube.com/c/AllThingsOnePlace) and we started compiling test data- focusing on power conversion metrics such as efficiency and power factor, summarized into a single "power quality score" on a 0-200 scale- in a database at https://pqs.app https://pqs.app. For example, for the Anker power adapters we've tested: https://pqs.app/devices?categoryId=1&search=anker https://pqs.app/devices?categoryId=1&search=anker. We're also trying to turn it into a business.
  - solardev 4y ago
    Do you test for protocol negotiation for USB C Power Delivery and proper Lightning or Thunderbolt support? I think for many uses that's more important than small electrical losses
    - 4y ago
propogandist 4y ago
Anker’s EUFY product, which markets itself as a home security service not requiring cloud connectivity, uploads facial recognition and other data to their cloud https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/eufys-no-clouds-cameras-upload-facial-thumbnails-to-aws/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/eufys-no-clouds-came... https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/29/eufy-camera-cloud-uploads-no-user-consent/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/29/eufy-camera-cloud-uploa...

number6 4y ago

Thanks for the information

SpelingBeeChamp 4y ago

Mind explaining the “Eufy leaks” issue?

zamalek 4y ago
Linus Tech Tips with his Dunning-Kruger effect once again. They upload the data required for mobile notifications to a CDN, which any one of us would likely do. The other half of the controversy is that they upload a facial identifier for the same notification... if you have facial recognition for notifications turned on. The hook-up has a more informed take on the issue: https://youtu.be/a_rAXF_btvE https://youtu.be/a_rAXF_btvE. I'm not sure if he was previously a software engineer, but he certainly seems to understand the problem Eufy faced like one. My take-away is that they should have been more transparent about some form of upload being an unavoidable reality for mobile notifications in their marketing material.
- tannedNerd 4y ago
  Ummm I’m pretty sure it’s related to the fact you can access unencrypted video streams from cameras that supposedly only have local recording. Or are you just trying to distract from that?
  - zamalek 4y ago
    Do you mean accessing anyone's camera remotely? Or are those recording on the same CDN, with expiring links?
- netsharc 4y ago
  The excusing of Eufy's behavior is incredible... if you have to push something to the cloud, why not encrypt it instead of promising to encrypt "later". Since the device promises local capabilities it would be easy to setup an encryption key on it/on the phone and transfer it to the device over local wifi...
- zamalek 4y ago
  With the new information we've been getting it definitely seems as though Eufy is in the wrong, especially given that URLs can be brute-forced.

ceejayoz 4y ago

I'll never understand how people go "just YouTube it". Sure, I'll sift through a bunch of search results to find a 54 minute video that makes the point you meant to reference 23 minutes in after four ads. Just give someone an actual link, to an actual article. Like this: https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/30/23486753/anker-eufy-security-camera-cloud-private-encryption-authentication-storage https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/30/23486753/anker-eufy-secu... > Despite claims of only using local storage with its security cameras, Eufy has been caught uploading identifiable footage to the cloud. And it’s even possible to view the camera streams using VLC. (Personally, this means I won't buy an Eufy camera, and it doesn't change the fact that Anker's chargers have been far better made and reliable than their competitors in my experience.)

lostmsu 4y ago
> And it’s even possible to view the camera streams using VLC. That sounds like RTSP to me, which makes the rest questionable.
jinto36 4y ago
Re: Anker chargers, a few perform pretty well but many are kind of middling. A friend has been doing a lot of reviews of these on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/c/AllThingsOnePlace https://www.youtube.com/c/AllThingsOnePlace) and we started compiling test data- focusing on power conversion metrics such as efficiency and power factor, summarized into a single "power quality score" on a 0-200 scale- in a database at https://pqs.app https://pqs.app. For example, for the Anker power adapters we've tested: https://pqs.app/devices?categoryId=1&search=anker https://pqs.app/devices?categoryId=1&search=anker. We're also trying to turn it into a business.
- solardev 4y ago
  Do you test for protocol negotiation for USB C Power Delivery and proper Lightning or Thunderbolt support? I think for many uses that's more important than small electrical losses
  - 4y ago

propogandist 4y ago

Anker’s EUFY product, which markets itself as a home security service not requiring cloud connectivity, uploads facial recognition and other data to their cloud https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/eufys-no-clouds-cameras-upload-facial-thumbnails-to-aws/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/eufys-no-clouds-came... https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/29/eufy-camera-cloud-uploads-no-user-consent/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/11/29/eufy-camera-cloud-uploa...