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What was actually on Hunter Biden's laptop? Can someone give me a link to a succinct, non-partisan list of facts?

gilbetron 4y ago
Unbiased, factual descriptions are really hard to come by. Here's an ok take on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z3isaw/whats_up_with_hunters_biden_laptop/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z3isaw/whats_... You'll have to do your own digging around to build up your own opinion if you want more info. From my digging, it still seems like pretty much nothing we didn't already know.
lazyeye 4y ago
Joe Biden (AKA "The Big Guy") was taking a cut from Hunter Biden's ridiculous business dealings with foreign entities (otherwise known as "influence peddling"). With zero relevant business experience Hunter Biden was getting highly lucrative business deals with all kinds of shady people connected to foreign govts. Joe Biden denied any involvement with his son's business but there is evidence that he was involved from witnesses (including attending business meetings) and emails on the laptop to indicate he was involved but they were conscious of the need to publicly at least, keep his name out of it. It's the kind of thing for which, if it was Trump, we would have seen 24/7 media meltdown for years but because its a Biden well "media companies are privately owned and can do what they want".
- ModernMech 4y ago
  > Joe Biden (AKA "The Big Guy") was taking a cut from Hunter Biden's ridiculous business dealings with foreign entities Parent asked for an unbiased summary. Right off the bat you’re providing the right wing narrative. There is nothing in the laptop or elsewhere to show that: - the “big guy” referenced in the email is in fact Joe Biden - that even if it is, Joe Biden was aware of the e-mail - that even if he was, that Joe was actually taking a cut. The evidence before you is so far off from the narrative you’re spouting that you might as well be making it all up. But sadly you’re not, you’re just regurgitating the leaps of logic that have been fed to you. > they were conscious of the need to publicly at least, keep his name out of it. The lack of evidence of a crime is evidence of how well the crime was covered up. Classic conspiratorial thinking. > if it was Trump, we would have seen 24/7 media meltdown Here’s the thing. If it weren’t for Trump, this would be a bigger deal because Trump normalized government corruption during his presidency. Even the worst case scenario imagined by Republicans about Biden is mild compared to Trump’s least concerning corruption. Conservatives can’t get any traction with their “Biden’s corrupt!” narrative as long as they ignore and excuse Trump’s corruption. It’s impossible to convince the world that Joe Biden who takes the train to work from Delaware is corrupt, while Trump who flies around in a jet with his name on it is squeaky clean. As dumb as people are, there appears to be a limit to what they will accept.
  - lazyeye 4y ago
    Firstly, it's difficult to talk about this because discussing anything the media wilfully chooses to ignore sounds like a conspiracy theory (media self-censorship is incredibly powerful). Secondly just because something reflects badly on the Democrat party doesn't mean it's a "right-wing narrative". If one team does something bad, then of course they are going to try to cover it up, and it's up to the opposing team to hold them to account. This is human nature, and this is what democracy is designed to compensate for. One of Hunter Biden's business partners confirmed Joe Biden was the "Big Guy". I believe also there was some discussion in the emails on Hunters laptop of the need distance themselves from Joe Biden at least publically. Trump is not relevant to whether Joe Biden is corrupt is or not. He is also not relevant as to whether the media should cover important stories that aren't about Trump. Need to get away from this idea that the Dems can do whatever they want "because Trump".
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      > Firstly, it's difficult to talk about this because discussing anything the media wilfully chooses to ignore sounds like a conspiracy theory Then just stick to the facts. > Secondly just because something reflects badly on the Democrat party doesn't mean it's a "right-wing narrative" It’s a narrative precisely because the story you presented is ahead of the facts. You’re telling the story you want to tell and backfilling it in with facts as necessary when they become available, making omissions as necessary. The problem with this is you’ll keep telling this story like the facts support it even if they never come. > One of Hunter Biden's business partners confirmed Joe Biden was the "Big Guy". I wasn’t aware this was confirmed, but unfortunately all this proves is that someone was trying to gain access to Joe Biden. Not exactly surprising. Showing Joe Biden was receptive to the overture is much harder to prove. > Trump is not relevant to whether Joe Biden is corrupt is or not. One thing I have said and I will keep saying is that if Hunter did something wrong he should be investigated and prosecuted. If Joe Biden did something wrong he should be investigated and prosecuted as well. I haven’t met a single left leaning person who disagrees with me there. (And believe me, I’m no fan of Joe Biden, he was like my 6th choice). In that sense you’re right, it doesn’t matter what Trump has done. But not all corruption is equal, and Republicans have spent the last 7 years excusing and equivocating some of the most egregious examples of corruption I’ve ever seen. So now they are out there saying we should all be very concerned about Joe Biden’s corruption. Their problem is that we can pull up any number of sound bytes from the same people excusing Trump’s corruption. Hell, we just have to use Trump’s own impeachment argument against them: if the executive believes what he is doing is for the benefit of the country, then his motives cannot be corrupt, even in the case of extorting a bribe as Trump did. Republicans bought that argument and in doing so set a precedent. To me, this shows the outrage is all just political theatre, on the order of Benghazi, election denial, Whitewater/Clinton impeachment, or the Hillary Clinton emails. > Need to get away from this idea that the Dems can do whatever they want "because Trump". I believe in equal justice under the law, one of the foundational pillars of democracy. If Trump can get away with crimes but Biden is prosecuted for the same, this is actually a miscarriage of justice and a danger to democracy. Either the law is applied equally to everyone, or it is applied to no one.
lazyeye 4y ago
The Laptop from Hell https://www.amazon.com.au/Laptop-Hell-Hunter-Secrets-President/dp/1637584857 https://www.amazon.com.au/Laptop-Hell-Hunter-Secrets-Preside... And of course, read the user reviews for some insight on the book.

Unbiased, factual descriptions are really hard to come by. Here's an ok take on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z3isaw/whats_up_with_hunters_biden_laptop/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/z3isaw/whats_... You'll have to do your own digging around to build up your own opinion if you want more info. From my digging, it still seems like pretty much nothing we didn't already know.

lazyeye 4y ago

Joe Biden (AKA "The Big Guy") was taking a cut from Hunter Biden's ridiculous business dealings with foreign entities (otherwise known as "influence peddling"). With zero relevant business experience Hunter Biden was getting highly lucrative business deals with all kinds of shady people connected to foreign govts. Joe Biden denied any involvement with his son's business but there is evidence that he was involved from witnesses (including attending business meetings) and emails on the laptop to indicate he was involved but they were conscious of the need to publicly at least, keep his name out of it. It's the kind of thing for which, if it was Trump, we would have seen 24/7 media meltdown for years but because its a Biden well "media companies are privately owned and can do what they want".

ModernMech 4y ago
> Joe Biden (AKA "The Big Guy") was taking a cut from Hunter Biden's ridiculous business dealings with foreign entities Parent asked for an unbiased summary. Right off the bat you’re providing the right wing narrative. There is nothing in the laptop or elsewhere to show that: - the “big guy” referenced in the email is in fact Joe Biden - that even if it is, Joe Biden was aware of the e-mail - that even if he was, that Joe was actually taking a cut. The evidence before you is so far off from the narrative you’re spouting that you might as well be making it all up. But sadly you’re not, you’re just regurgitating the leaps of logic that have been fed to you. > they were conscious of the need to publicly at least, keep his name out of it. The lack of evidence of a crime is evidence of how well the crime was covered up. Classic conspiratorial thinking. > if it was Trump, we would have seen 24/7 media meltdown Here’s the thing. If it weren’t for Trump, this would be a bigger deal because Trump normalized government corruption during his presidency. Even the worst case scenario imagined by Republicans about Biden is mild compared to Trump’s least concerning corruption. Conservatives can’t get any traction with their “Biden’s corrupt!” narrative as long as they ignore and excuse Trump’s corruption. It’s impossible to convince the world that Joe Biden who takes the train to work from Delaware is corrupt, while Trump who flies around in a jet with his name on it is squeaky clean. As dumb as people are, there appears to be a limit to what they will accept.
- lazyeye 4y ago
  Firstly, it's difficult to talk about this because discussing anything the media wilfully chooses to ignore sounds like a conspiracy theory (media self-censorship is incredibly powerful). Secondly just because something reflects badly on the Democrat party doesn't mean it's a "right-wing narrative". If one team does something bad, then of course they are going to try to cover it up, and it's up to the opposing team to hold them to account. This is human nature, and this is what democracy is designed to compensate for. One of Hunter Biden's business partners confirmed Joe Biden was the "Big Guy". I believe also there was some discussion in the emails on Hunters laptop of the need distance themselves from Joe Biden at least publically. Trump is not relevant to whether Joe Biden is corrupt is or not. He is also not relevant as to whether the media should cover important stories that aren't about Trump. Need to get away from this idea that the Dems can do whatever they want "because Trump".
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    > Firstly, it's difficult to talk about this because discussing anything the media wilfully chooses to ignore sounds like a conspiracy theory Then just stick to the facts. > Secondly just because something reflects badly on the Democrat party doesn't mean it's a "right-wing narrative" It’s a narrative precisely because the story you presented is ahead of the facts. You’re telling the story you want to tell and backfilling it in with facts as necessary when they become available, making omissions as necessary. The problem with this is you’ll keep telling this story like the facts support it even if they never come. > One of Hunter Biden's business partners confirmed Joe Biden was the "Big Guy". I wasn’t aware this was confirmed, but unfortunately all this proves is that someone was trying to gain access to Joe Biden. Not exactly surprising. Showing Joe Biden was receptive to the overture is much harder to prove. > Trump is not relevant to whether Joe Biden is corrupt is or not. One thing I have said and I will keep saying is that if Hunter did something wrong he should be investigated and prosecuted. If Joe Biden did something wrong he should be investigated and prosecuted as well. I haven’t met a single left leaning person who disagrees with me there. (And believe me, I’m no fan of Joe Biden, he was like my 6th choice). In that sense you’re right, it doesn’t matter what Trump has done. But not all corruption is equal, and Republicans have spent the last 7 years excusing and equivocating some of the most egregious examples of corruption I’ve ever seen. So now they are out there saying we should all be very concerned about Joe Biden’s corruption. Their problem is that we can pull up any number of sound bytes from the same people excusing Trump’s corruption. Hell, we just have to use Trump’s own impeachment argument against them: if the executive believes what he is doing is for the benefit of the country, then his motives cannot be corrupt, even in the case of extorting a bribe as Trump did. Republicans bought that argument and in doing so set a precedent. To me, this shows the outrage is all just political theatre, on the order of Benghazi, election denial, Whitewater/Clinton impeachment, or the Hillary Clinton emails. > Need to get away from this idea that the Dems can do whatever they want "because Trump". I believe in equal justice under the law, one of the foundational pillars of democracy. If Trump can get away with crimes but Biden is prosecuted for the same, this is actually a miscarriage of justice and a danger to democracy. Either the law is applied equally to everyone, or it is applied to no one.

lazyeye 4y ago

The Laptop from Hell https://www.amazon.com.au/Laptop-Hell-Hunter-Secrets-President/dp/1637584857 https://www.amazon.com.au/Laptop-Hell-Hunter-Secrets-Preside... And of course, read the user reviews for some insight on the book.