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> It is not a big deal. You would be literally fuming about how Fascists Are Hanging Democracy From The Rope if Biden and Trump was switched in this case. So w

by oxff 4y ago

> It is not a big deal. You would be literally fuming about how Fascists Are Hanging Democracy From The Rope if Biden and Trump was switched in this case. So would most "it is not a big deal it happened, but it would have been big deal if it didn't". Friend-Enemy is all it is.

degobah 4y ago
What did the Biden campaign do that the Trump White House did not? "In 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored." The difference is that the Trump White House was the executive office of the federal govt making requests, while Biden was a private citizen. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598828932395978752 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598828932395978752
- oxff 4y ago
  This is quite obviously about substantial influence on election news cycle; and of course pointing the finger at the other side is already contained in the friend-enemy distinction.
  - degobah 4y ago
    You are more scandalized about the campaign of a private citizen emailing Twitter to ask that dick pics of his son remove, than about the White House emailing Twitter to have tweets removed?
- M4v3R 4y ago
  The difference is also that, per the data that was linked in the thread, the Democrats had orders of magnitude more requests sent and honored than Republicans, because the former had more contacts at Twitter that were willing to take those requests.
  - etchalon 4y ago
    There's no data in the thread which points to any internal metrics at Twitter which shows outsized influence by Democrats. There's an implication based on the political donations of Twitter employees that that was likely the case.
    - candybar 4y ago
      This is a huge tell,. Matt Taibbi (or Elon Musk via him) is trying to paint a picture that this was heavily tilted in favor of Democrats. But he has access to the actual data - why not just publish that if he feels it's damning? Whatever mechanism he used to find these emails and also to conclude that both campaigns had access, could also have been used to determine the bias statistically. And the raw data could even have been shared for public consumption. Instead, he talks about campaign contributions, which isn't even circumstantial evidence of bias. You don't have to contribute to a political campaign to process moderation requests from them. There's no plausible mechanism by which the volume of requests that can be processed is related the amount of money donated by Twitter employees. You just need one contact and again, no evidence exists - and not even clear accusations have been made - that Twitter employees involved were reluctant to process requests made by the Trump team. If anything the fact that Matt Taibbi is dishonestly trying to make this connection is extremely strong circumstantial evidence that they couldn't find anything even remotely damning. Because if they could find something actually damning, they would've used that instead. Resorting to, ugh, Twitter employees are liberal, so I'm sure they weren't entirely being fair in processing requests from the Trump team and ugh, more contributions to the Democrats so like, must be able to process more requests, which is a complete non-sequitur, is highly damaging to whatever narrative that he's trying to push.
      - etchalon 4y ago
        It sounds like what he has is a dump of emails, not necessarily a database of moderation actions. Even if he had a database like that, it's unlikely it's easily classified in a way you could actually correlate individual actions to specific sources. I highly doubt there's a database column for "as commanded by the dark Democratic conspiracy."
badrequest 4y ago
So much pent up anger that your response to a calmly worded good-faith question is a title-cased bad-faith accusation. Get some sleep and drink some water, maybe.
remarkEon 4y ago
It's weird to think about. If you switched the characters here, we all know that this would be the biggest story ever about social media. "Trump Campaign coordinates with Twitter to rig the election" would be the headlines. 2016 really and truly broke so many people's brains.
- cycomanic 4y ago
  The person you're responding to literally wrote that both campaigns requested tweets to be reviewed and for both parties twitter honoured the requests. So he actually knew about the opposite side doing the same thing and contrary to your assertion he is not outraged.
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    > You would be literally fuming about how Fascists Are Hanging Democracy From The Rope if Biden and Trump was switched in this case. I think you’re replying to the wrong comment

by oxff 4y ago

degobah 4y ago

What did the Biden campaign do that the Trump White House did not? "In 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored." The difference is that the Trump White House was the executive office of the federal govt making requests, while Biden was a private citizen. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598828932395978752 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598828932395978752

oxff 4y ago
This is quite obviously about substantial influence on election news cycle; and of course pointing the finger at the other side is already contained in the friend-enemy distinction.
- degobah 4y ago
  You are more scandalized about the campaign of a private citizen emailing Twitter to ask that dick pics of his son remove, than about the White House emailing Twitter to have tweets removed?
M4v3R 4y ago
The difference is also that, per the data that was linked in the thread, the Democrats had orders of magnitude more requests sent and honored than Republicans, because the former had more contacts at Twitter that were willing to take those requests.
- etchalon 4y ago
  There's no data in the thread which points to any internal metrics at Twitter which shows outsized influence by Democrats. There's an implication based on the political donations of Twitter employees that that was likely the case.
  - candybar 4y ago
    This is a huge tell,. Matt Taibbi (or Elon Musk via him) is trying to paint a picture that this was heavily tilted in favor of Democrats. But he has access to the actual data - why not just publish that if he feels it's damning? Whatever mechanism he used to find these emails and also to conclude that both campaigns had access, could also have been used to determine the bias statistically. And the raw data could even have been shared for public consumption. Instead, he talks about campaign contributions, which isn't even circumstantial evidence of bias. You don't have to contribute to a political campaign to process moderation requests from them. There's no plausible mechanism by which the volume of requests that can be processed is related the amount of money donated by Twitter employees. You just need one contact and again, no evidence exists - and not even clear accusations have been made - that Twitter employees involved were reluctant to process requests made by the Trump team. If anything the fact that Matt Taibbi is dishonestly trying to make this connection is extremely strong circumstantial evidence that they couldn't find anything even remotely damning. Because if they could find something actually damning, they would've used that instead. Resorting to, ugh, Twitter employees are liberal, so I'm sure they weren't entirely being fair in processing requests from the Trump team and ugh, more contributions to the Democrats so like, must be able to process more requests, which is a complete non-sequitur, is highly damaging to whatever narrative that he's trying to push.
    - etchalon 4y ago
      It sounds like what he has is a dump of emails, not necessarily a database of moderation actions. Even if he had a database like that, it's unlikely it's easily classified in a way you could actually correlate individual actions to specific sources. I highly doubt there's a database column for "as commanded by the dark Democratic conspiracy."

badrequest 4y ago

So much pent up anger that your response to a calmly worded good-faith question is a title-cased bad-faith accusation. Get some sleep and drink some water, maybe.

remarkEon 4y ago

It's weird to think about. If you switched the characters here, we all know that this would be the biggest story ever about social media. "Trump Campaign coordinates with Twitter to rig the election" would be the headlines. 2016 really and truly broke so many people's brains.

cycomanic 4y ago
The person you're responding to literally wrote that both campaigns requested tweets to be reviewed and for both parties twitter honoured the requests. So he actually knew about the opposite side doing the same thing and contrary to your assertion he is not outraged.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  > You would be literally fuming about how Fascists Are Hanging Democracy From The Rope if Biden and Trump was switched in this case. I think you’re replying to the wrong comment