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IP filters don't really work for something like facebook or twitter though - they block everything or nothing - really you need to get them involved to limit wh

IP filters don't really work for something like facebook or twitter though - they block everything or nothing - really you need to get them involved to limit what they send to NZ clients

Thorrez 4y ago
That sounds like exactly what jpollock is saying. jpollock says New Zealand threatened to block everything.
- Taniwha 4y ago
  No, he's talking about the ability to install an IP block for packets coming into NZ, not in other countries - in the past, as I understand it this has largly been used to black hole child porn sites
  - jpollock 4y ago
    I'm talking about NZ's history of censorship, the tools that they already have for Internet censorship, and why the NZ government considered it important. The IP block is a tool. It is also able to intercept HTTP traffic for sub-domain blocks, but everything is https now, so that doesn't work. That leaves IP blocking, which I'm pretty sure NZ would have done if Facebook had refused to block content deemed illegal to import into NZ. NZ has blocked the importation of books and video going back to 1880 (according to Wikipedia)[1]. New Zealanders continue to decide to keep the Classification Office - none of the political parties consider it an "issue". It works for the kiwis. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_in_New_Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_in_New_Ze...
    - NickNameNick 4y ago
      The web content filtering thing was a bit odd. It was several years ago, but as I recall, Some (not all) NZ ISPs installed the filtering system, which let most IPs through, but redirected some to web proxies which were configured to filter banned content.
      - Aaron2222 4y ago
        It's optional for ISPs to implement, and it only filters CSAM.
jpollock 4y ago
NZ would have turned Facebook off, and said precisely why - Facebook wanted the ability to continue to distribute videos showing a terrorist murdering New Zealanders who were praying. The NZ Government would have won that argument. "Facebook refused to honour and respect our laws. They prefer to distribute illegal content, so we have turned them off at the border."
- ipaddr 4y ago
  Then what? Facebook is banned and the country learns to use vpns and get around other content restrictions.
  - Rapzid 4y ago
    Everybody already uses a VPN in New Zealand. Netflix bro.
  - JediLuke 4y ago
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    It wouldn’t happen. Facebook works because it’s more than social media. You have a market place, clubs, businesses, etc on Facebook. When you take all that away because you can’t advertise your Facebook page. Or your parents can’t just open their phone to see photos of your baby. The effort outweighs the benefit and people won’t use a vpn to access it. Just a fringe group of people who want the content no matter what.

IP filters don't really work for something like facebook or twitter though - they block everything or nothing - really you need to get them involved to limit what they send to NZ clients

Thorrez 4y ago

That sounds like exactly what jpollock is saying. jpollock says New Zealand threatened to block everything.

Taniwha 4y ago
No, he's talking about the ability to install an IP block for packets coming into NZ, not in other countries - in the past, as I understand it this has largly been used to black hole child porn sites
- jpollock 4y ago
  I'm talking about NZ's history of censorship, the tools that they already have for Internet censorship, and why the NZ government considered it important. The IP block is a tool. It is also able to intercept HTTP traffic for sub-domain blocks, but everything is https now, so that doesn't work. That leaves IP blocking, which I'm pretty sure NZ would have done if Facebook had refused to block content deemed illegal to import into NZ. NZ has blocked the importation of books and video going back to 1880 (according to Wikipedia)[1]. New Zealanders continue to decide to keep the Classification Office - none of the political parties consider it an "issue". It works for the kiwis. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_in_New_Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_in_New_Ze...
  - NickNameNick 4y ago
    The web content filtering thing was a bit odd. It was several years ago, but as I recall, Some (not all) NZ ISPs installed the filtering system, which let most IPs through, but redirected some to web proxies which were configured to filter banned content.
    - Aaron2222 4y ago
      It's optional for ISPs to implement, and it only filters CSAM.

jpollock 4y ago

NZ would have turned Facebook off, and said precisely why - Facebook wanted the ability to continue to distribute videos showing a terrorist murdering New Zealanders who were praying. The NZ Government would have won that argument. "Facebook refused to honour and respect our laws. They prefer to distribute illegal content, so we have turned them off at the border."

ipaddr 4y ago
Then what? Facebook is banned and the country learns to use vpns and get around other content restrictions.
- Rapzid 4y ago
  Everybody already uses a VPN in New Zealand. Netflix bro.
- JediLuke 4y ago
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  It wouldn’t happen. Facebook works because it’s more than social media. You have a market place, clubs, businesses, etc on Facebook. When you take all that away because you can’t advertise your Facebook page. Or your parents can’t just open their phone to see photos of your baby. The effort outweighs the benefit and people won’t use a vpn to access it. Just a fringe group of people who want the content no matter what.