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It shows collusion with politicians to coordinate censorship.

by pyinstallwoes 4y ago

mc32 4y ago
Wasn't that one of those things certain people deride as "conspiracy theories".
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y ago
  These days the difference between a conspiracy theory and accepted reality is 3-6 months.
  - mulnz 4y ago
    Didn’t take long for this post to bring new folks in off the woodwork.
    - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y ago
      New? We've been here for years.
Dudelander 4y ago
Does it though? I don't think a campaign staff pointing out tweets that might violate the TOS counts as collusion. That's just a campaign interfacing with Twitter the same way everyone else does. If it was collusion, then every white house press briefing in history would be too. Which, sure, might be Chomsky's point of view, but I don't think anarchists need to be convinced that Joe Biden is bad.
- hgfdhgdfhgdf 4y ago
  Why aren't Taliban tweets removed that violate the TOS?
  - Dudelander 4y ago
    Stuff like that gets removed all the time. It's a meme that posting certain Islamic songs can get you banned on Twitter. They might not get them all, especially with a reduced moderation team, but tons of Islamic terrorist tweets are removed every day.
    - hgfdhgdfhgdf 4y ago
      But Taliban leaders are not and have active accounts while a former US president is banned
      - Dudelander 4y ago
        In all honesty they're probably a little more careful and don't flagrantly violate the rules.
      - foldr 4y ago
        Some might say, what does that tell you about that former President?
      - dane-pgp 4y ago
        * was formerly banned.[0] (You may have been using the "historical present tense"[1], in which case what you said is technically correct, but potentially misleading to some readers.) [0] https://www.makeuseof.com/twitter-unbans-donald-trump-truth-social/ https://www.makeuseof.com/twitter-unbans-donald-trump-truth-... [1] https://www.thoughtco.com/historical-present-verb-tense-1690928 https://www.thoughtco.com/historical-present-verb-tense-1690...
- concinds 4y ago
  It's not "the same way everyone else does". We use the Twitter web UI's Report button. We don't have contacts in Twitter's Orwellian "trust and safety'"division. I can't tell if this is bad faith or ignorance. Alex Berenson was unsuspended after he sued Twitter (unbannings were unprecedented, as this was before Musk's takeover), after he proved that Biden staffers had demanded his suspension. Government employees and legislators are not legally allowed to pressure companies to remove speech, as the Supreme Court ruled that it goes against the 1st Amendment. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1597663153739169794 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1597663153739169794
  - banannaise 4y ago
    It makes sense for them to have expedited handling for ToS violations that affect a public or political figure. Otherwise a very easy exploit would be to simply have people keep reposting them, relying on there always being a few that haven't been taken down yet.
papito 4y ago
Here come the big words. "Collusion" sounds borderline criminal. "Censorship" is something a government does, not a private entity. This is not hard.
tootie 4y ago
It shows that politicians asked. Which should be pretty obvious. Anyone can ask. Speaking of collusion, why is this getting so much hype right now coming on that heels of the new GOP House majority announcing that they're going to make it a focus of next term? That seems extremely well timed to me. And the underlying story behind the whole thing is still fishy and not interesting.
candybar 4y ago
Collusion implies coordinating on something illegal or worth hiding from the public - what exactly is the alleged wrongdoing? That Twitter had people that worked with both presidential campaigns to expedite the review of moderation requests? I mean, by this definition, what interaction between private institutions and politicians doesn't qualify as collusion? Like what principles are even being violated here?

It shows collusion with politicians to coordinate censorship.

mc32 4y ago

Wasn't that one of those things certain people deride as "conspiracy theories".

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y ago
These days the difference between a conspiracy theory and accepted reality is 3-6 months.
- mulnz 4y ago
  Didn’t take long for this post to bring new folks in off the woodwork.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y ago
    New? We've been here for years.

Dudelander 4y ago

Does it though? I don't think a campaign staff pointing out tweets that might violate the TOS counts as collusion. That's just a campaign interfacing with Twitter the same way everyone else does. If it was collusion, then every white house press briefing in history would be too. Which, sure, might be Chomsky's point of view, but I don't think anarchists need to be convinced that Joe Biden is bad.

hgfdhgdfhgdf 4y ago
Why aren't Taliban tweets removed that violate the TOS?
- Dudelander 4y ago
  Stuff like that gets removed all the time. It's a meme that posting certain Islamic songs can get you banned on Twitter. They might not get them all, especially with a reduced moderation team, but tons of Islamic terrorist tweets are removed every day.
  - hgfdhgdfhgdf 4y ago
    But Taliban leaders are not and have active accounts while a former US president is banned
    - Dudelander 4y ago
      In all honesty they're probably a little more careful and don't flagrantly violate the rules.
    - foldr 4y ago
      Some might say, what does that tell you about that former President?
    - dane-pgp 4y ago
      * was formerly banned.[0] (You may have been using the "historical present tense"[1], in which case what you said is technically correct, but potentially misleading to some readers.) [0] https://www.makeuseof.com/twitter-unbans-donald-trump-truth-social/ https://www.makeuseof.com/twitter-unbans-donald-trump-truth-... [1] https://www.thoughtco.com/historical-present-verb-tense-1690928 https://www.thoughtco.com/historical-present-verb-tense-1690...
concinds 4y ago
It's not "the same way everyone else does". We use the Twitter web UI's Report button. We don't have contacts in Twitter's Orwellian "trust and safety'"division. I can't tell if this is bad faith or ignorance. Alex Berenson was unsuspended after he sued Twitter (unbannings were unprecedented, as this was before Musk's takeover), after he proved that Biden staffers had demanded his suspension. Government employees and legislators are not legally allowed to pressure companies to remove speech, as the Supreme Court ruled that it goes against the 1st Amendment. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1597663153739169794 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1597663153739169794
- banannaise 4y ago
  It makes sense for them to have expedited handling for ToS violations that affect a public or political figure. Otherwise a very easy exploit would be to simply have people keep reposting them, relying on there always being a few that haven't been taken down yet.

papito 4y ago

Here come the big words. "Collusion" sounds borderline criminal. "Censorship" is something a government does, not a private entity. This is not hard.

tootie 4y ago

It shows that politicians asked. Which should be pretty obvious. Anyone can ask. Speaking of collusion, why is this getting so much hype right now coming on that heels of the new GOP House majority announcing that they're going to make it a focus of next term? That seems extremely well timed to me. And the underlying story behind the whole thing is still fishy and not interesting.

candybar 4y ago

Collusion implies coordinating on something illegal or worth hiding from the public - what exactly is the alleged wrongdoing? That Twitter had people that worked with both presidential campaigns to expedite the review of moderation requests? I mean, by this definition, what interaction between private institutions and politicians doesn't qualify as collusion? Like what principles are even being violated here?