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I’m sure Jacinda Ardern and her current government are being targeted internationally by hybrid warfare type disinformation techniques. My guess is that it’s a

I’m sure Jacinda Ardern and her current government are being targeted internationally by hybrid warfare type disinformation techniques. My guess is that it’s a reaction to her being held up as an example of a young progressive woman in a position of power and getting through the beginning of Covid without to many deaths by relying on a functional social contract. Read a piece like this with a critical eye to what power struggles behind the scenes produced it. Also in the context of the mass murder in Christchurch live streamed on Facebook.

throwawaylinux 4y ago
Sounds exactly like the kind of baseless conspiracy theory that would be made up to try to deflect criticism about authoritarian actions by a government.
- totetsu 4y ago
  I’m sorry but hacker news is not the correct place for serious discussion of NZ politics, please go to the Trademe forums or the Nzherald comments section.
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    There was no serious discussion of it, just some baseless conspiratorial rambling that I called out.
    - abigail95 4y ago
      It's a joke, it would be like discussing politics on craigslist.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  There is evidence of funding coming in for some radical right groups. I’m not sure an instant dismissal is possible order, but the OP giving a link or two would have been helpful. This is what came to mind for me: https://www.webworm.co/p/fakenews2 https://www.webworm.co/p/fakenews2
  - throwawaylinux 4y ago
    This is a long way from conspiracy theories like "Jacinda Ardern and her current government are being targeted internationally by hybrid warfare type disinformation techniques." and "it’s a reaction to her being held up as an example of a young progressive woman in a position of power and getting through the beginning of Covid without to many deaths by relying on a functional social contract." Sure, some shadowy entity (probably connected to Putin and also secret Nazis) are waging hybrid warfare on New Zealand because Jacinta is so progressive and young and a woman, and that's why she needs the ability to take down any facebook content (critical of her authoritarianism?), also something something covid and mass shootings. Just screams hysterical ultra left wing fear mongering conspiracy theory.
    - lostlogin 4y ago
      I linked to an article on Steve Bannon and his shenanigans. Being concerned about that man is far from hysterical left conspiracy theory. He is a problem and New Zealanders overwhelming reject his crap (see local body elections, and the coming general election).
      - throwawaylinux 4y ago
        That's not what I said was the conspiracy theory.
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LAC-Tech 4y ago
- abigail95 4y ago
  She's the head of government of a relatively wealthy country whos party has a majority, despite MMP, with no independent executive, no upper house, and no constitution. That's the opposite of a figurehead. She has more power than any other western politician.
  - disordinary 4y ago
    She does not have any power, her party has power collectively. A prime minister has no more power than any other minister. She's not like a president, she can't decree law. NZ also has a constitution, the constitution is made up of multiple discreet documents including Te Tiriti O Waitangi, the founding document of New Zealand, the bill of rights act, the human rights act, the constitution act, etc. The lack of a constitution is in some ways a good thing, democracy has to evolve as time evolves, some countries place too much of their identity in outdated laws which are 231 years old.
    - areyousure 4y ago
      > The lack of a constitution is in some ways a good thing Out of curiosity, when you say "THE lack of a constitution" [emphasis mine], where are you referring to?
      - disordinary 4y ago
        New Zealand
        areyousure 4y ago
        Cool, so I understood correctly: In response to "NZ has no constitution", you respond first that it does and then follow with why it's good that it doesn't. I thought this was such a bold argument that I must have misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification.

throwawaylinux 4y ago

Sounds exactly like the kind of baseless conspiracy theory that would be made up to try to deflect criticism about authoritarian actions by a government.

totetsu 4y ago
I’m sorry but hacker news is not the correct place for serious discussion of NZ politics, please go to the Trademe forums or the Nzherald comments section.
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  There was no serious discussion of it, just some baseless conspiratorial rambling that I called out.
  - abigail95 4y ago
    It's a joke, it would be like discussing politics on craigslist.
lostlogin 4y ago
There is evidence of funding coming in for some radical right groups. I’m not sure an instant dismissal is possible order, but the OP giving a link or two would have been helpful. This is what came to mind for me: https://www.webworm.co/p/fakenews2 https://www.webworm.co/p/fakenews2
- throwawaylinux 4y ago
  This is a long way from conspiracy theories like "Jacinda Ardern and her current government are being targeted internationally by hybrid warfare type disinformation techniques." and "it’s a reaction to her being held up as an example of a young progressive woman in a position of power and getting through the beginning of Covid without to many deaths by relying on a functional social contract." Sure, some shadowy entity (probably connected to Putin and also secret Nazis) are waging hybrid warfare on New Zealand because Jacinta is so progressive and young and a woman, and that's why she needs the ability to take down any facebook content (critical of her authoritarianism?), also something something covid and mass shootings. Just screams hysterical ultra left wing fear mongering conspiracy theory.
  - lostlogin 4y ago
    I linked to an article on Steve Bannon and his shenanigans. Being concerned about that man is far from hysterical left conspiracy theory. He is a problem and New Zealanders overwhelming reject his crap (see local body elections, and the coming general election).
    - throwawaylinux 4y ago
      That's not what I said was the conspiracy theory.
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abigail95 4y ago
She's the head of government of a relatively wealthy country whos party has a majority, despite MMP, with no independent executive, no upper house, and no constitution. That's the opposite of a figurehead. She has more power than any other western politician.
- disordinary 4y ago
  She does not have any power, her party has power collectively. A prime minister has no more power than any other minister. She's not like a president, she can't decree law. NZ also has a constitution, the constitution is made up of multiple discreet documents including Te Tiriti O Waitangi, the founding document of New Zealand, the bill of rights act, the human rights act, the constitution act, etc. The lack of a constitution is in some ways a good thing, democracy has to evolve as time evolves, some countries place too much of their identity in outdated laws which are 231 years old.
  - areyousure 4y ago
    > The lack of a constitution is in some ways a good thing Out of curiosity, when you say "THE lack of a constitution" [emphasis mine], where are you referring to?
    - disordinary 4y ago
      New Zealand
      - areyousure 4y ago
        Cool, so I understood correctly: In response to "NZ has no constitution", you respond first that it does and then follow with why it's good that it doesn't. I thought this was such a bold argument that I must have misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification.