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> It's just impossible to keep it a secret, and that's why the censorship attempt was an utter failure Context matters. They didn’t fail to hide the story, tha

> It's just impossible to keep it a secret, and that's why the censorship attempt was an utter failure Context matters. They didn’t fail to hide the story, that wasn’t the goal. They succeeded in their goal of preventing the story from harming their candidate a few days before the election. This is everything the left says they care about, a mega corp colluding with powerful connected political interests to determine the outcome of an election

lapcat 4y ago
> They succeeded in their goal of preventing the story from harming their candidate a few days before the election. Did they? Of course Joe Biden was elected, but there's no evidence that this was the cause. I said "I haven't heard a good argument of why Hunter Biden should have been a crucial factor in deciding how to vote in 2020, when there were a ton of other vastly more important issues." And I still haven't heard one. In any case, the censorship seems to have backfired somewhat and raised the profile of the story. People won't shut up about it even now, two years later.
- newZWhoDis 4y ago
  > but there's no evidence that this was the cause. “Prove our massive illegal censorship campaign was effective!” You can not in good faith argue that this was acceptable. This is obvious because your only argument at this point is that sure it was wrong, but it didn’t work. That’s not going to save everyone on these email lists from prison.
  - chrisbaker98 4y ago
    Prison? I think Twitter was wrong to censor this story, but what crimes were committed?
    - iinnPP 4y ago
      18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both
      - awinder 4y ago
        This law does not apply to a single actor included in tweet thread. It applies to government employees & administrative positions, which even Ro Khanna isn’t, and that’s the closest it gets to applying.
        newZWhoDis 4y ago
        It applies to all the lying feds that engaged in conspiracy to tell the major social media platforms the HB laptop was russian disinformation. I don’t think you understand, Jail time is only acceptable non-violent outcome for these officials
- Akronymus 4y ago
  https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/2020-election-outcome-would-differ-with-hunter-biden-laptop-coverage-poll/ https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/2020-election-outcome-would-di... A very quick search led me to that.
  - shagie 4y ago
    > Nearly four of five Americans who’ve been following the Hunter Biden laptop scandal believe that “truthful” coverage would have changed the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, according to a new poll. > A similar percentage also said they’re convinced that information on the computer is real, with just 11% saying they thought it was “created by Russia,” according to the survey conducted by the New Jersey-based Technometrica Institute of Policy and Politics. So, if you were following the (as described) scandal, you the majority believes that "truthful" coverage would have changed things. The same percentage believes that the computer is real. So... the people who believe that there is something to the scandal also believe that if there was "truthful" coverage of the scandal, things would have been different. I'm not sure that this is as convincing of a statistic as the numbers by themselves would lead one to believe.
    - newZWhoDis 4y ago
      “The same percentage believe the computer is real” It is real, even the most stanch Biden partisans have admitted that
  - calgarymicro 4y ago
    Oooh, this garbage poll. Will just copy/paste what I found out about it months ago. >I will say that it's very odd that the polling firm apparently decided to republish a story from The Epoch Times of all outlets to analyze their poll. I generally don't think of TIPP as being overly biased, but uncritically regurgitating The Epoch Times is a bit much for me. >Edit: Never mind. Went to the home page of their site and found Fox News on steroids, wow. I guess I'll only look at the IBD/TIPP polls from now on. >Edit 2: It was an online poll, conducted among people 'following' the story? Gee, I'm shocked. >Edit 3: I dug up the original poll (which you can only get by subscribing to their spammy newsletter) and it looks like they polled 1335 people and threw out everyone but the 437 people who said they were following the story. Literally, after the 'how closely are you following it' question, there's no data for the other 898 people. Needless to say, the headline '79%' figure is in no way representative of the general population, and appears to consist of people who already viewed the laptop as a dealbreaker. Also, just a weird thing I noticed, the races listed in crosstabs [0] are white and Hispanic, there are no black or Asian people listed at all. [0] https://imgur.com/a/wlI68GT https://imgur.com/a/wlI68GT

lapcat 4y ago

> They succeeded in their goal of preventing the story from harming their candidate a few days before the election. Did they? Of course Joe Biden was elected, but there's no evidence that this was the cause. I said "I haven't heard a good argument of why Hunter Biden should have been a crucial factor in deciding how to vote in 2020, when there were a ton of other vastly more important issues." And I still haven't heard one. In any case, the censorship seems to have backfired somewhat and raised the profile of the story. People won't shut up about it even now, two years later.

newZWhoDis 4y ago
> but there's no evidence that this was the cause. “Prove our massive illegal censorship campaign was effective!” You can not in good faith argue that this was acceptable. This is obvious because your only argument at this point is that sure it was wrong, but it didn’t work. That’s not going to save everyone on these email lists from prison.
- chrisbaker98 4y ago
  Prison? I think Twitter was wrong to censor this story, but what crimes were committed?
  - iinnPP 4y ago
    18 U.S. Code § 595 - Interference by administrative employees of Federal, State, or Territorial Governments Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States, or by any department or agency thereof, or by the District of Columbia or any agency or instrumentality thereof, or by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States, or any political subdivision, municipality, or agency thereof, or agency of such political subdivision or municipality (including any corporation owned or controlled by any State, Territory, or Possession of the United States or by any such political subdivision, municipality, or agency), in connection with any activity which is financed in whole or in part by loans or grants made by the United States, or any department or agency thereof, uses his official authority for the purpose of interfering with, or affecting, the nomination or the election of any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both
    - awinder 4y ago
      This law does not apply to a single actor included in tweet thread. It applies to government employees & administrative positions, which even Ro Khanna isn’t, and that’s the closest it gets to applying.
      - newZWhoDis 4y ago
        It applies to all the lying feds that engaged in conspiracy to tell the major social media platforms the HB laptop was russian disinformation. I don’t think you understand, Jail time is only acceptable non-violent outcome for these officials
Akronymus 4y ago
https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/2020-election-outcome-would-differ-with-hunter-biden-laptop-coverage-poll/ https://nypost.com/2022/08/26/2020-election-outcome-would-di... A very quick search led me to that.
- shagie 4y ago
  > Nearly four of five Americans who’ve been following the Hunter Biden laptop scandal believe that “truthful” coverage would have changed the outcome of the 2020 presidential election, according to a new poll. > A similar percentage also said they’re convinced that information on the computer is real, with just 11% saying they thought it was “created by Russia,” according to the survey conducted by the New Jersey-based Technometrica Institute of Policy and Politics. So, if you were following the (as described) scandal, you the majority believes that "truthful" coverage would have changed things. The same percentage believes that the computer is real. So... the people who believe that there is something to the scandal also believe that if there was "truthful" coverage of the scandal, things would have been different. I'm not sure that this is as convincing of a statistic as the numbers by themselves would lead one to believe.
  - newZWhoDis 4y ago
    “The same percentage believe the computer is real” It is real, even the most stanch Biden partisans have admitted that
- calgarymicro 4y ago
  Oooh, this garbage poll. Will just copy/paste what I found out about it months ago. >I will say that it's very odd that the polling firm apparently decided to republish a story from The Epoch Times of all outlets to analyze their poll. I generally don't think of TIPP as being overly biased, but uncritically regurgitating The Epoch Times is a bit much for me. >Edit: Never mind. Went to the home page of their site and found Fox News on steroids, wow. I guess I'll only look at the IBD/TIPP polls from now on. >Edit 2: It was an online poll, conducted among people 'following' the story? Gee, I'm shocked. >Edit 3: I dug up the original poll (which you can only get by subscribing to their spammy newsletter) and it looks like they polled 1335 people and threw out everyone but the 437 people who said they were following the story. Literally, after the 'how closely are you following it' question, there's no data for the other 898 people. Needless to say, the headline '79%' figure is in no way representative of the general population, and appears to consist of people who already viewed the laptop as a dealbreaker. Also, just a weird thing I noticed, the races listed in crosstabs [0] are white and Hispanic, there are no black or Asian people listed at all. [0] https://imgur.com/a/wlI68GT https://imgur.com/a/wlI68GT