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> Population levels in the western US have exploded in the last twenty years and we've developed almost no additional recreation opportunities. There are a lot

by Aunche 4y ago

> Population levels in the western US have exploded in the last twenty years and we've developed almost no additional recreation opportunities. There are a lot of great places for hiking and camping. The problem is that everyone wants to go to "the best" places, so you end up with a lot of people competing for a permit for Mt. Whitney rather than go for a similar alternative like Mt. Langley.

KingOfCoders 4y ago
Around Berlin it's the same. There are places where everyone is, but 1km away same nice place, totally empty.
- jan_Inkepa 4y ago
  What would your favourite places on the outskirts be, out of interest?
babyshake 4y ago
I would love to hear about some good natural park arbitrage opportunities. But as with all arbitrage the opportunity decreases once it is well known.
- grogenaut 4y ago
  the best part of national parks: exploring them. Pick one, go. If it's a national park it's good. I checked a list for the best to worst. The worst is the gateway arch. That's still worth a trip, great museum, beautiful grounds, and a crazy building.
pengaru 4y ago
Keep telling enough people about Mt. Langley and you'll find the same problem. Social media has in my opinion turned this into a shit show. I've done a lot of hiking and camping over the years, and all it takes is enough reviews and "influencers" to talk about some beautiful natural place and seemingly overnight you'll have hoards of people rushing to the view to get their selfie then immediately leave. It's maddening because these kinds of visitors just generate a lot of traffic to fulfill their shallow objective of collecting a selfie. They largely don't care about what's become of the experience of actually spending time there, because they don't value the experience. It's just getting a photo/video for their $fb_insta_tiktok_whatevers_hot then get back on the road for the next place on the list. At most they're annoyed by delays. It was better when these people stuck to the theme parks.
- Aunche 4y ago
  This is true for a lot of things like restaurants, but hiking is one of the few areas where I don't think this is the case. People don't just casually decide to summit the tallest mountain in the contiguous US. Everyone there has likely trained on lesser known trails. The thing is, there is only one Whitney, but there are a couple dozen Langley's, and hundreds of even lesser known hikes of similar rigor. If all these become saturated, that's also good because that means Americans wouldn't be so fat!
  - dmix 4y ago
    It's only really a downside for the casuals who will go on Google and hit up one of the top 5 results on Tripadvisor. As long as it's not not top-ranking or there's a barrier to entry then it will be limited. Ultimately this is just the new hyper-culture we live in where leisure is now available to tons of people thanks to economics, combined with population growth. The hobbyists who are dedicated will always find new high quality options... just like restaurants/bars/fashion/etc. Which is probably why having a more liberal system to develop recreational places for the more...casual/friendly audience could be a good thing. At least for getting people to enjoy the outdoors in peace and get out of traffic.
    - carlmr 4y ago
      I find this discussion quite interesting. From a German perspective there's almost infinite amount of space in the US for hiking, compared to Germany. You find a lot of great trail in Germany, but if you go to Neuschwanstein (AKA the disney castle) you will find huge American and Chinese tour groups. But most other trails are perfectly fine. I can't imagine with the wide selection in the US to have any problem if you're not going to one of the top 5 search results.
      - enkid 4y ago
        You get a lot of tourists in the US at the top parks as well. It's gotten so bad, many national parks are requiring reservations to get in, something they've never done before.

by Aunche 4y ago

KingOfCoders 4y ago

Around Berlin it's the same. There are places where everyone is, but 1km away same nice place, totally empty.

jan_Inkepa 4y ago
What would your favourite places on the outskirts be, out of interest?

babyshake 4y ago

I would love to hear about some good natural park arbitrage opportunities. But as with all arbitrage the opportunity decreases once it is well known.

grogenaut 4y ago
the best part of national parks: exploring them. Pick one, go. If it's a national park it's good. I checked a list for the best to worst. The worst is the gateway arch. That's still worth a trip, great museum, beautiful grounds, and a crazy building.

pengaru 4y ago

Keep telling enough people about Mt. Langley and you'll find the same problem. Social media has in my opinion turned this into a shit show. I've done a lot of hiking and camping over the years, and all it takes is enough reviews and "influencers" to talk about some beautiful natural place and seemingly overnight you'll have hoards of people rushing to the view to get their selfie then immediately leave. It's maddening because these kinds of visitors just generate a lot of traffic to fulfill their shallow objective of collecting a selfie. They largely don't care about what's become of the experience of actually spending time there, because they don't value the experience. It's just getting a photo/video for their $fb_insta_tiktok_whatevers_hot then get back on the road for the next place on the list. At most they're annoyed by delays. It was better when these people stuck to the theme parks.

Aunche 4y ago
This is true for a lot of things like restaurants, but hiking is one of the few areas where I don't think this is the case. People don't just casually decide to summit the tallest mountain in the contiguous US. Everyone there has likely trained on lesser known trails. The thing is, there is only one Whitney, but there are a couple dozen Langley's, and hundreds of even lesser known hikes of similar rigor. If all these become saturated, that's also good because that means Americans wouldn't be so fat!
- dmix 4y ago
  It's only really a downside for the casuals who will go on Google and hit up one of the top 5 results on Tripadvisor. As long as it's not not top-ranking or there's a barrier to entry then it will be limited. Ultimately this is just the new hyper-culture we live in where leisure is now available to tons of people thanks to economics, combined with population growth. The hobbyists who are dedicated will always find new high quality options... just like restaurants/bars/fashion/etc. Which is probably why having a more liberal system to develop recreational places for the more...casual/friendly audience could be a good thing. At least for getting people to enjoy the outdoors in peace and get out of traffic.
  - carlmr 4y ago
    I find this discussion quite interesting. From a German perspective there's almost infinite amount of space in the US for hiking, compared to Germany. You find a lot of great trail in Germany, but if you go to Neuschwanstein (AKA the disney castle) you will find huge American and Chinese tour groups. But most other trails are perfectly fine. I can't imagine with the wide selection in the US to have any problem if you're not going to one of the top 5 search results.
    - enkid 4y ago
      You get a lot of tourists in the US at the top parks as well. It's gotten so bad, many national parks are requiring reservations to get in, something they've never done before.