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Because of laws passed after the Enron scandal, publicly traded companies are required to retain internal communications for long periods of time. So if you're

by chroma 4y ago

Because of laws passed after the Enron scandal, publicly traded companies are required to retain internal communications for long periods of time. So if you're going to blame anyone for this, blame the government. Also the owners of Twitter knew that Musk would have access to these messages. That was priced into the deal. Executives and managers at publicly traded companies are very aware of information retention policies and make sure to avoid putting certain things in writing. That's why so many of the emails are along the lines of, "Can you take a look at this?", or "More to review from the Biden team.", instead of being explicit commands. It's just a miraculous coincidence that every single one of those requests results in censorship or banning. > there is no clear evidence that they explicitly favored one party, and to be honest- I don't really care if they do Ah yes the old, "It didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, they deserved it." If you truly believe that there's no clear evidence, then I don't know what to tell you. Taibbi shows emails where Twitter and the US government collude to censor true information that people wanted to read. That is a big deal.

Bilal_io 4y ago
> Twitter and the US government collude I see everyone saying this while ignoring the timeline. This happened before the 2020 elections. Biden was not president back then.
- chroma 4y ago
  Biden himself wasn't an elected official at the time, but many others were. One of Taibbi's tweets shows an email from the DNC requesting that certain tweets be censored.
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  - belltaco 4y ago
    DNC is a private organization.
    - chroma 4y ago
      So if the RNC had a hotline to Twitter that they used to censor stuff so their candidates could win more elections, you'd respond in the same manner? They're a private organization.
      - belltaco 4y ago
        I wouldn't claim it was govt interference like you're doing to support a bogus argument.
      - sanderjd 4y ago
        Taibbi's own claims are that both parties and both campaigns had this "hotline" to Twitter.
      - djur 4y ago
        If people were posting revenge porn of Tiffany Trump on Twitter and RNC staffers contacted Twitter to notify them of the offending tweets, I think that would be commendable.
        UncleMeat 4y ago
        In fact, there were nudes of Melania Trump shared on social media during the 2016 election. These weren't personal but were instead professional photographs. Everywhere I ever saw them they were taken down very very quickly.
      - andreysolsty 4y ago
        It's in TFA: "10.Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored. However:"
- progrus 4y ago
  These actions effectively installed Biden as president. There was a poll where an easily-sufficient percentage of respondents said they would have changed their vote if the laptop story hadn’t been suppressed. Someone can probably find it.
  - myko 4y ago
    > These actions effectively installed Biden as president. No, the millions of voters who selected him over trump did that. This hit job using hacked iCloud information to post revenge porn of Hunter Biden was not going to change people's votes, it had nothing to do with Joe Biden. Just another Russian hack job.
  - djur 4y ago
    The poll showed that 4 out of 5 people who said they had been following the laptop story (i.e., people who already knew about it despite the "censorship") thought that it was "very" or "somewhat" likely that coverage of the story affected the outcome of the election.
    - acdha 4y ago
      That poll of people who closely follow Republican talking points found that they think that more coverage of Republican talking points would help Republicans win elections. It’s not untrue but it’s not telling you anything you didn’t already know. (Note, for example that the poll numbers you read in the NY Post were based on 437 of the original 1,335 respondents because they literally excluded everyone else to get the numbers they wanted to base this story on.)
  - Klonoar 4y ago
    Nobody with any realistic sense of reality gives a single shit about Hunter Biden and whatever the hell he did with his life. People voted Trump out because he utterly gutted our country, even when handed layup after layup. Knock it off with this "Biden was installed" shit, jesus christ.
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- imgabe 4y ago
  Ah yes, Biden the former vice president and 40 year career politician was a political naïf who had no influence whatsoever because he was not in office at the time. Of course.
  - UncleMeat 4y ago
    Biden was a person with considerable influence. But that's not the same as "Twitter and the US government collude." If there is anything most closely matching that phrase, it is the examples of reviews done based on information from the Trump team.
myko 4y ago
> If you truly believe that there's no clear evidence, then I don't know what to tell you. Taibbi shows emails where Twitter and the US government collude to censor true information that people wanted to read. That is a big deal. in this case the government was run by donald trump, and the censorship was to remove stolen revenge porn
- remarkEon 4y ago
  One of the results of the restrictive reporting on that subject, and the self-censorship by journalists on the topic at the time the story broke, is that people think it was only about "stolen revenge porn".
- chroma 4y ago
  It wasn't "stolen revenge porn". It was information about how Joe Biden used his political power to shield his son from the consequences of his misdeeds. That story was completely censored from Twitter. You couldn't even link to it. And the US government isn't run by any one person. The president is the most powerful individual, but there are other officials (both elected and appointed), and they are the ones who colluded. I don't care whether it's the president, or the speaker of the house, or a freshly-trained FBI agent. Nobody in government should be pressuring private companies to prevent people from reading what they want to read.
  - nathanaldensr 4y ago
    Do a CTRL+F for the phrase revenge porn in this thread. It's not an honest attempt at an explanation; it's a specific, coordinated tactic to misdirect away from the incredible information that the Bidens were corrupt. This has absolutely nothing to do with Hunter's ****.
chrisbaker98 4y ago
> Because of laws passed after the Enron scandal, publicly traded companies are required to retain internal communications for long periods of time. I've heard it phrased this way: never send an email that you wouldn't be happy to read out in court. But I'm curious, how can this policy be enforced? If I delete some of my work emails, how can a court prove that the emails ever existed and that I deleted them?
- stu432 4y ago
  If you're subject to an investigation they'll put retention policies on them to stop that. If you're not, sure you can delete them and wait for them to disappear out of the backup windows, but then you'll need everyone who got that email to do the same. As I was told in my first day of training at a large investment bank, "If you have something sensitive to discuss, pick up the phone".

by chroma 4y ago

Bilal_io 4y ago

> Twitter and the US government collude I see everyone saying this while ignoring the timeline. This happened before the 2020 elections. Biden was not president back then.

chroma 4y ago
Biden himself wasn't an elected official at the time, but many others were. One of Taibbi's tweets shows an email from the DNC requesting that certain tweets be censored.
- deleted 4y ago
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- belltaco 4y ago
  DNC is a private organization.
  - chroma 4y ago
    So if the RNC had a hotline to Twitter that they used to censor stuff so their candidates could win more elections, you'd respond in the same manner? They're a private organization.
    - belltaco 4y ago
      I wouldn't claim it was govt interference like you're doing to support a bogus argument.
    - sanderjd 4y ago
      Taibbi's own claims are that both parties and both campaigns had this "hotline" to Twitter.
    - djur 4y ago
      If people were posting revenge porn of Tiffany Trump on Twitter and RNC staffers contacted Twitter to notify them of the offending tweets, I think that would be commendable.
      - UncleMeat 4y ago
        In fact, there were nudes of Melania Trump shared on social media during the 2016 election. These weren't personal but were instead professional photographs. Everywhere I ever saw them they were taken down very very quickly.
    - andreysolsty 4y ago
      It's in TFA: "10.Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored. However:"
progrus 4y ago
These actions effectively installed Biden as president. There was a poll where an easily-sufficient percentage of respondents said they would have changed their vote if the laptop story hadn’t been suppressed. Someone can probably find it.
- myko 4y ago
  > These actions effectively installed Biden as president. No, the millions of voters who selected him over trump did that. This hit job using hacked iCloud information to post revenge porn of Hunter Biden was not going to change people's votes, it had nothing to do with Joe Biden. Just another Russian hack job.
- djur 4y ago
  The poll showed that 4 out of 5 people who said they had been following the laptop story (i.e., people who already knew about it despite the "censorship") thought that it was "very" or "somewhat" likely that coverage of the story affected the outcome of the election.
  - acdha 4y ago
    That poll of people who closely follow Republican talking points found that they think that more coverage of Republican talking points would help Republicans win elections. It’s not untrue but it’s not telling you anything you didn’t already know. (Note, for example that the poll numbers you read in the NY Post were based on 437 of the original 1,335 respondents because they literally excluded everyone else to get the numbers they wanted to base this story on.)
- Klonoar 4y ago
  Nobody with any realistic sense of reality gives a single shit about Hunter Biden and whatever the hell he did with his life. People voted Trump out because he utterly gutted our country, even when handed layup after layup. Knock it off with this "Biden was installed" shit, jesus christ.
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imgabe 4y ago
Ah yes, Biden the former vice president and 40 year career politician was a political naïf who had no influence whatsoever because he was not in office at the time. Of course.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Biden was a person with considerable influence. But that's not the same as "Twitter and the US government collude." If there is anything most closely matching that phrase, it is the examples of reviews done based on information from the Trump team.

myko 4y ago

> If you truly believe that there's no clear evidence, then I don't know what to tell you. Taibbi shows emails where Twitter and the US government collude to censor true information that people wanted to read. That is a big deal. in this case the government was run by donald trump, and the censorship was to remove stolen revenge porn

remarkEon 4y ago
One of the results of the restrictive reporting on that subject, and the self-censorship by journalists on the topic at the time the story broke, is that people think it was only about "stolen revenge porn".
chroma 4y ago
It wasn't "stolen revenge porn". It was information about how Joe Biden used his political power to shield his son from the consequences of his misdeeds. That story was completely censored from Twitter. You couldn't even link to it. And the US government isn't run by any one person. The president is the most powerful individual, but there are other officials (both elected and appointed), and they are the ones who colluded. I don't care whether it's the president, or the speaker of the house, or a freshly-trained FBI agent. Nobody in government should be pressuring private companies to prevent people from reading what they want to read.
- nathanaldensr 4y ago
  Do a CTRL+F for the phrase revenge porn in this thread. It's not an honest attempt at an explanation; it's a specific, coordinated tactic to misdirect away from the incredible information that the Bidens were corrupt. This has absolutely nothing to do with Hunter's ****.

chrisbaker98 4y ago

> Because of laws passed after the Enron scandal, publicly traded companies are required to retain internal communications for long periods of time. I've heard it phrased this way: never send an email that you wouldn't be happy to read out in court. But I'm curious, how can this policy be enforced? If I delete some of my work emails, how can a court prove that the emails ever existed and that I deleted them?

stu432 4y ago
If you're subject to an investigation they'll put retention policies on them to stop that. If you're not, sure you can delete them and wait for them to disappear out of the backup windows, but then you'll need everyone who got that email to do the same. As I was told in my first day of training at a large investment bank, "If you have something sensitive to discuss, pick up the phone".