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We all know how this will play out. Opting out will result in a full search, opting out too many times puts you on a watchlist. Failing auto-ID too many times w

We all know how this will play out. Opting out will result in a full search, opting out too many times puts you on a watchlist. Failing auto-ID too many times will also put you on a watchlist. After a little while we'll hear how "too many" bad people are escaping justice, and they'll start comparing the photo with people who have warrants, everyone on bail etc. And because they're only comparing with those people, several of them will be close matches. The rent-a-cops at the TSA checkpoint will then detain you. There are lots of PoC in the criminal justice system. The odds of getting a false positive will be high. But noting will be done to fix it. 'Its the algorithm.'

searealist 4y ago
Provide examples of > opting out too many times puts you on a watchlist Except you can't.
- angry_octet 4y ago
  Since I'm writing about a future scenario, such as under the authoritarian President De Santis administration, I quite obviously cannot provide proof. What I know is that laws and regulations should be scoped to preserve liberties under even the worst executive. The many people who have SSSS on their boarding passes for 'extra scutiny' as part of some cryptic TSA process seem a good enough example of the Govt keeping secret lists of undesirables. A random selection of SSSS tweets: https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1097895615479144448?t=y2yYWBYxmuikyc-5xuzT6Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1097895615479144448?t=y2yY... https://twitter.com/DoualyX/status/1029128870996324352?t=Jn9TNXFiIwLTdTIDI7fnHg&s=19 https://twitter.com/DoualyX/status/1029128870996324352?t=Jn9... https://twitter.com/SheRoamsAbout/status/1056946018229669889?t=MgdTLNKJfKje-oxjNE734Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/SheRoamsAbout/status/1056946018229669889... Tell me these people are security threats.
  - oogali 4y ago
    When I used to travel for work I would [reliably] get SSSS but only in one specific scenario: flying to/from DCA (Washington, DC) on a specific airline. All other flights were fine. I once flew from Montreal to Washington, DC and there was secondary screening at the gate. I held up the flight because airport staff didn’t know the procedures on how to handle my SSSS flag. I called DHS about getting off the list and after getting bounced around a few times I was told: - I was not on the no fly list, which DHS does actively maintain - DHS manages and publishes selection criteria which is pushed down to airlines. What the airlines do with it and when they do it is their own process independent from DHS - I could submit my driver’s license, proof of address, address history for exclusion, as well as any additional information requested after the initial submission. - DHS would review and update the parameters, but it would be 6-12 months before the database update fully took effect with the airlines. I stopped flying that one airline 16 years ago.
landemva 4y ago
TSA are not law enforcement and have no authority to arrest nor detain. This is why there is always a bored actual cop sitting somewhere nearby. The cop can arrest. You can try this yourself - get some old shoe trees with metal posts and fold one of them at 90 degrees so the scan machine flags it as a firearm. If TSA can't figure out the puzzle you made for them, they leave the bag in the tunnel, and it doesn't move until the actual police take it out and look inside. Yes, I experienced this. Also, I opt out every time. It has been hundreds of times. No big deal.
- kenrose 4y ago
  Same here re: opt out. You tell the agent you want to opt out. They scream “Opt out!” at the top of their lungs. Then another agent takes you through the plexiglass door beside the metal detector. That agent recites a brief script about how they’ll pat you down and then do so. Pat down complete, they check their gloves for residues in a machine. Once that’s done, you’re free to go. It generally adds 5-10 mins to the security line. Sometimes, if they really backed up and you say opt out early enough, it can actually be faster. You have the right to opt out and can exercise it.
  - GauntletWizard 4y ago
marssaxman 4y ago
I have been opting out of airport "pornoscanners" since the day they were introduced. If the TSA maintains a watchlist for people like me, as you suppose, they don't appear to be doing much with it.

searealist 4y ago

Provide examples of > opting out too many times puts you on a watchlist Except you can't.

angry_octet 4y ago
Since I'm writing about a future scenario, such as under the authoritarian President De Santis administration, I quite obviously cannot provide proof. What I know is that laws and regulations should be scoped to preserve liberties under even the worst executive. The many people who have SSSS on their boarding passes for 'extra scutiny' as part of some cryptic TSA process seem a good enough example of the Govt keeping secret lists of undesirables. A random selection of SSSS tweets: https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1097895615479144448?t=y2yYWBYxmuikyc-5xuzT6Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1097895615479144448?t=y2yY... https://twitter.com/DoualyX/status/1029128870996324352?t=Jn9TNXFiIwLTdTIDI7fnHg&s=19 https://twitter.com/DoualyX/status/1029128870996324352?t=Jn9... https://twitter.com/SheRoamsAbout/status/1056946018229669889?t=MgdTLNKJfKje-oxjNE734Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/SheRoamsAbout/status/1056946018229669889... Tell me these people are security threats.
- oogali 4y ago
  When I used to travel for work I would [reliably] get SSSS but only in one specific scenario: flying to/from DCA (Washington, DC) on a specific airline. All other flights were fine. I once flew from Montreal to Washington, DC and there was secondary screening at the gate. I held up the flight because airport staff didn’t know the procedures on how to handle my SSSS flag. I called DHS about getting off the list and after getting bounced around a few times I was told: - I was not on the no fly list, which DHS does actively maintain - DHS manages and publishes selection criteria which is pushed down to airlines. What the airlines do with it and when they do it is their own process independent from DHS - I could submit my driver’s license, proof of address, address history for exclusion, as well as any additional information requested after the initial submission. - DHS would review and update the parameters, but it would be 6-12 months before the database update fully took effect with the airlines. I stopped flying that one airline 16 years ago.

landemva 4y ago

TSA are not law enforcement and have no authority to arrest nor detain. This is why there is always a bored actual cop sitting somewhere nearby. The cop can arrest. You can try this yourself - get some old shoe trees with metal posts and fold one of them at 90 degrees so the scan machine flags it as a firearm. If TSA can't figure out the puzzle you made for them, they leave the bag in the tunnel, and it doesn't move until the actual police take it out and look inside. Yes, I experienced this. Also, I opt out every time. It has been hundreds of times. No big deal.

kenrose 4y ago
Same here re: opt out. You tell the agent you want to opt out. They scream “Opt out!” at the top of their lungs. Then another agent takes you through the plexiglass door beside the metal detector. That agent recites a brief script about how they’ll pat you down and then do so. Pat down complete, they check their gloves for residues in a machine. Once that’s done, you’re free to go. It generally adds 5-10 mins to the security line. Sometimes, if they really backed up and you say opt out early enough, it can actually be faster. You have the right to opt out and can exercise it.
- GauntletWizard 4y ago

marssaxman 4y ago

I have been opting out of airport "pornoscanners" since the day they were introduced. If the TSA maintains a watchlist for people like me, as you suppose, they don't appear to be doing much with it.