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Canada has been doing this for years. Before going through customs / immigration, you go to a kiosk and scan your passport, then it asks to take a picture of yo

Canada has been doing this for years. Before going through customs / immigration, you go to a kiosk and scan your passport, then it asks to take a picture of you. As far as I recall, there is no sign that notifies you if you may refuse having your picture taken, at least for the airports in Montreal and Ottawa.

wk_end 4y ago
Canada does this for passport control (as does the US in at least some circumstances - I know they did it every time I entered when I had my TN Visa, not sure if they do it for all foreign nationals or Americans). But this article isn't about passport control (which the TSA doesn't have jurisdiction over, it's handled by U.S. Customs and Border Protection); it's about passenger screening, presumably even for domestic flights.
- the_mar 4y ago
  US always took photos of non-US citizens at customs, they now take photos of US citizens as well at kiosks for global entry at least
b3morales 4y ago
Customs and immigration is a distinctly different situation than a domestic flight. (Not that I particularly want my face scanned for the former either.)
- noodlesUK 4y ago
  I have mixed feelings about this. I love the e-gates at UK airports for passport control. That feels like a much less horrible and invasive experience than e.g. being briefly interviewed by some grumpy immigration officer who might just decide to ruin your day. For a domestic flight, I don’t know why this is necessary. I would say there’s a pretty big difference between 1:1 facial recognition for authenticating someone with their travel docs and 1:n facial recognition for dragnet surveillance.
  - salawat 4y ago
    >I would say there’s a pretty big difference between 1:1 facial recognition for authenticating someone with their travel docs and 1:n facial recognition for dragnet surveillance. In philosophy, that's distinction without a difference. Both cases are surveillance, period. You can argue one is more limited, but reality and human nature has shown over and over again that once information is collected and stored in a sufficiently performant manner, it will tend to grow to be cross-ref'd over time.

wk_end 4y ago

Canada does this for passport control (as does the US in at least some circumstances - I know they did it every time I entered when I had my TN Visa, not sure if they do it for all foreign nationals or Americans). But this article isn't about passport control (which the TSA doesn't have jurisdiction over, it's handled by U.S. Customs and Border Protection); it's about passenger screening, presumably even for domestic flights.

the_mar 4y ago
US always took photos of non-US citizens at customs, they now take photos of US citizens as well at kiosks for global entry at least

b3morales 4y ago

Customs and immigration is a distinctly different situation than a domestic flight. (Not that I particularly want my face scanned for the former either.)

noodlesUK 4y ago
I have mixed feelings about this. I love the e-gates at UK airports for passport control. That feels like a much less horrible and invasive experience than e.g. being briefly interviewed by some grumpy immigration officer who might just decide to ruin your day. For a domestic flight, I don’t know why this is necessary. I would say there’s a pretty big difference between 1:1 facial recognition for authenticating someone with their travel docs and 1:n facial recognition for dragnet surveillance.
- salawat 4y ago
  >I would say there’s a pretty big difference between 1:1 facial recognition for authenticating someone with their travel docs and 1:n facial recognition for dragnet surveillance. In philosophy, that's distinction without a difference. Both cases are surveillance, period. You can argue one is more limited, but reality and human nature has shown over and over again that once information is collected and stored in a sufficiently performant manner, it will tend to grow to be cross-ref'd over time.