> What if they're doing that because they have to feed their very hungry family and their family is hungrier than yours. Does that change the calculus? Yes, it

> What if they're doing that because they have to feed their very hungry family and their family is hungrier than yours. Does that change the calculus? Yes, it does. I should have been more clear in the outset: I am frustrated by people who work more than 40 hours because they enjoy doing it, not because they need to in order to make ends meet. If you work 60hrs/week in order to pay off student loan debt and feed your kid, my heart goes out to you. If you work 60hrs/week because it's your idea of fun, please log out of work and get a hobby... you're actively making harder for the parent with loan debt to capitalize on the extra 20hrs/week they're putting in. > You're walking into this with a set of values and just assuming that everybody else has the same ones so you can throw them on the table and say, see? I mean, kinda, yeah! I value being able to work <=40 hours a week. If you don't value that, we're going to disagree. To reduce it to a contrived version: If you value being able to litter because it lets you get where you are going faster, I think you suck! We have divergent values, and I don't have any qualms saying that you pursuing your values actively works against my values.