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> Russia has legitimate security concerns regarding a defensive alliance expanding closer and closer to them? Yes. The “defensive” narrative is silly if you ca

by rank0 4y ago

> Russia has legitimate security concerns regarding a defensive alliance expanding closer and closer to them? Yes. The “defensive” narrative is silly if you can think strategically. The United States would NEVER tolerate a similar situation. Remember the Cuban missile crisis? Imagine if Texas seceded from the union and tried to form a military alliance with China, Iran, and Russia. Ukraine was the second most powerful Soviet and the USSR collapsed only 30 years ago. NATO is an anti-soviet alliance from the Cold War era. We’ve been fighting proxy battles with the Russians for 80 years. Think about that! Why on earth would Russia trust us Americans and our “defensive” missile systems? The truth is we danced on the graves of our enemies instead of working to built a better world. This is a tale as old as time and I fear we are doomed to perpetually repeat this mistake for the rest of civilization. We need to stop excessively spreading our sphere of influence. We got problems at home. Obviously the US can’t back out now…but perhaps we should reassess our future military strategy before we do something REALLY stupid like go to war with China over Taiwan.

_kbh_ 4y ago
> NATO is an anti-soviet alliance from the Cold War era. We’ve been fighting proxy battles with the Russians for 80 years. Think about that! Why on earth would Russia trust us Americans and our “defensive” missile systems? Because NATO, and America has never invaded Russia, even though they had the capability and will at the end of WW2. > Imagine if Texas seceded from the union and tried to form a military alliance with China, Iran, and Russia. Ukraine was the second most powerful Soviet and the USSR collapsed only 30 years ago. This would only be a fair comparison if the USA entirely collapsed and then, the free state of Texas, which, has international recognition from both the world and the country that succeeded the USA as being independent decided to join a military alliance. > We need to stop excessively spreading our sphere of influence. We got problems at home. Obviously the US can’t back out now…but perhaps we should reassess our future military strategy before we do something REALLY stupid like go to war with China over Taiwan. Or maybe it's that China shouldn't try and conquer Taiwan?. Like Russia shouldn't have tried to conquer Ukraine?. America(for once) and the EU really look like the goods guys this time around.
- rank0 4y ago
  A big fan of the American war machine huh? The US is hated in many regions for playing world police. I suppose you support the war in Iraq because Iraq shouldn’t have invaded Kuwait? We only care about Taiwan because of TSMC. We don’t even officially recognize Taiwan as a country. It amazes me that people can’t look in the mirror and realize military strategy is a cold dark forest. America is the undisputed king of warfare. We’ve been involved in more conflicts than any other government that exists today. We’ve trashed South America and the Middle East in pursuit of our strategic goals. Europe has been destroyed twice in the past century. Don’t pretend it’s all black and white and western developed countries are bastions of righteousness.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > A big fan of the American war machine huh? Big fan of it when it arms a country against its imperialistic neighbour that is doing its best to try and obliterate a country off the map.
    - rank0 4y ago
      It that was truly their goal, they could’ve carpet bombed their targets day 1. Their nuclear arsenal is enough to obliterate much more than Ukraine off the map… The million land mines in Southeast Asia and record setting drones strikes and 20 yr occupation of Afghanistan sure is awesome. Slurp up that propaganda baby!
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        > It that was truly their goal, they could’ve carpet bombed their targets day 1. Russia doesn't have the capability to do this or they would have, Ukraines air defense is too much for Russia to even obtain air superiority after 9 months. > Their nuclear arsenal is enough to obliterate much more than Ukraine off the map… If Russia actually nuked Ukraine they would likely collapse in the coming 10 years from the international communities response, nuclear weapons were never on the table. > The million land mines in Southeast Asia and record setting drones strikes and 20 yr occupation of Afghanistan sure is awesome. Slurp up that propaganda baby! I can recognise when multiple countries do bad things, something that people who are pro Russia appear incapable of doing. Russias war in Ukraine is bad, Americas war in Afghanistan and Vietnam were bad.

by rank0 4y ago

_kbh_ 4y ago

> NATO is an anti-soviet alliance from the Cold War era. We’ve been fighting proxy battles with the Russians for 80 years. Think about that! Why on earth would Russia trust us Americans and our “defensive” missile systems? Because NATO, and America has never invaded Russia, even though they had the capability and will at the end of WW2. > Imagine if Texas seceded from the union and tried to form a military alliance with China, Iran, and Russia. Ukraine was the second most powerful Soviet and the USSR collapsed only 30 years ago. This would only be a fair comparison if the USA entirely collapsed and then, the free state of Texas, which, has international recognition from both the world and the country that succeeded the USA as being independent decided to join a military alliance. > We need to stop excessively spreading our sphere of influence. We got problems at home. Obviously the US can’t back out now…but perhaps we should reassess our future military strategy before we do something REALLY stupid like go to war with China over Taiwan. Or maybe it's that China shouldn't try and conquer Taiwan?. Like Russia shouldn't have tried to conquer Ukraine?. America(for once) and the EU really look like the goods guys this time around.

rank0 4y ago
A big fan of the American war machine huh? The US is hated in many regions for playing world police. I suppose you support the war in Iraq because Iraq shouldn’t have invaded Kuwait? We only care about Taiwan because of TSMC. We don’t even officially recognize Taiwan as a country. It amazes me that people can’t look in the mirror and realize military strategy is a cold dark forest. America is the undisputed king of warfare. We’ve been involved in more conflicts than any other government that exists today. We’ve trashed South America and the Middle East in pursuit of our strategic goals. Europe has been destroyed twice in the past century. Don’t pretend it’s all black and white and western developed countries are bastions of righteousness.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > A big fan of the American war machine huh? Big fan of it when it arms a country against its imperialistic neighbour that is doing its best to try and obliterate a country off the map.
  - rank0 4y ago
    It that was truly their goal, they could’ve carpet bombed their targets day 1. Their nuclear arsenal is enough to obliterate much more than Ukraine off the map… The million land mines in Southeast Asia and record setting drones strikes and 20 yr occupation of Afghanistan sure is awesome. Slurp up that propaganda baby!
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > It that was truly their goal, they could’ve carpet bombed their targets day 1. Russia doesn't have the capability to do this or they would have, Ukraines air defense is too much for Russia to even obtain air superiority after 9 months. > Their nuclear arsenal is enough to obliterate much more than Ukraine off the map… If Russia actually nuked Ukraine they would likely collapse in the coming 10 years from the international communities response, nuclear weapons were never on the table. > The million land mines in Southeast Asia and record setting drones strikes and 20 yr occupation of Afghanistan sure is awesome. Slurp up that propaganda baby! I can recognise when multiple countries do bad things, something that people who are pro Russia appear incapable of doing. Russias war in Ukraine is bad, Americas war in Afghanistan and Vietnam were bad.