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I'm referring to pre musk ban. The exact tweet was “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE,” Someone was proposing

I'm referring to pre musk ban. The exact tweet was “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE,” Someone was proposing incitement to violence has a threahold etc. This to me is clearly incitement to violence. Some have claimed he didn't know what "death con" (defcon) means to which I say what could he have possibly meant. It's <something negative> on Jewish People.

stcroixx 4y ago
Defcon is a defense term indicating a level of preparedness. I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Words matter even if he doesn't know what they mean. Would be very interesting to see that attempted. Personally, I think he probably meant something else that very likely could have been closer to an incitement of violence, but he doesn't have the vocabulary and we can't convict someone for what you think might be in their head.
- themitigating 4y ago
  Preparation for what?
- dboreham 4y ago
  > I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Possibly due to very limited imagination?
  - stcroixx 4y ago
    Or familiarity with case law going back to Brandenburg. Do you know how many times this very high legal bar has been met in the US?
- shagmin 4y ago
  It just plain reads as hostile to me, and hostile entities often claim they are just defending themselves (justified or not), whether people or countries. But I don't think anyone has mentioned convicting him of anything unless you're talking about a court of public opinion or something.
- threeseed 4y ago
  Your argument is similar to that of Tesla and the term autopilot. The technical definition of a word is not as important as the real world usage of the word. And pretty sure most people would consider using Defcon in that way to be hostile.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  We can't convict them, but we can absolutely ban them from a social media network. The threshold for that is far lower than legal deprivation of liberties.
encryptluks2 4y ago
Defcon levels are about preparing for defense not attack. I think your bias is showing.
- DFHippie 4y ago
  When the government speaks of defcon levels, they don't speak of going "defcon X on somebody". This template is borrowed from expression like "going medieval on your ass", which is clearly not about preparing for defense. What would it mean to prepare for defense on somebody? When you combine that with him using "death con" instead of "defcon" and the tenor of his comments both before and since (posting a swastika?) it is a little hard to imagine he meant he was preparing to defend himself from an attack rather than going on attack. "I'm a little sleepy, but after I wake up I'm going to prepare for an attach By JEWISH PEOPLE." Is this seriously what you think he was saying?
- chasd00 4y ago
  heh well i seriously doubt Kanye has the slightest clue about the actual meaning of defcon levels. but i was thinking, does this tweet "I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE," incite violence? I don't think it does. Now if he said "when i wake up i want to read on the news how all of you went death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE" that would be inciting violence to me. btw, i'm thankful Taylor Swift is mostly benign, her fans are fanatical to the point of acting like a brain washed cult. Anything she tells them to do is done.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  "death" con 3 Can't understand how you can be racing to explain and apologize that.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    So because he said death con (instead of DEFCON), it had some secret meaning that meant something entirely different and you have proof of this where? I am no fan of Kanye, but people see what they want to see. Maybe he was making some trope about the holocaust, but even holocaust denial isn't illegal in the US.

stcroixx 4y ago

Defcon is a defense term indicating a level of preparedness. I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Words matter even if he doesn't know what they mean. Would be very interesting to see that attempted. Personally, I think he probably meant something else that very likely could have been closer to an incitement of violence, but he doesn't have the vocabulary and we can't convict someone for what you think might be in their head.

themitigating 4y ago
Preparation for what?
dboreham 4y ago
> I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Possibly due to very limited imagination?
- stcroixx 4y ago
  Or familiarity with case law going back to Brandenburg. Do you know how many times this very high legal bar has been met in the US?
shagmin 4y ago
It just plain reads as hostile to me, and hostile entities often claim they are just defending themselves (justified or not), whether people or countries. But I don't think anyone has mentioned convicting him of anything unless you're talking about a court of public opinion or something.
threeseed 4y ago
Your argument is similar to that of Tesla and the term autopilot. The technical definition of a word is not as important as the real world usage of the word. And pretty sure most people would consider using Defcon in that way to be hostile.
shadowgovt 4y ago
We can't convict them, but we can absolutely ban them from a social media network. The threshold for that is far lower than legal deprivation of liberties.

encryptluks2 4y ago

Defcon levels are about preparing for defense not attack. I think your bias is showing.

DFHippie 4y ago
When the government speaks of defcon levels, they don't speak of going "defcon X on somebody". This template is borrowed from expression like "going medieval on your ass", which is clearly not about preparing for defense. What would it mean to prepare for defense on somebody? When you combine that with him using "death con" instead of "defcon" and the tenor of his comments both before and since (posting a swastika?) it is a little hard to imagine he meant he was preparing to defend himself from an attack rather than going on attack. "I'm a little sleepy, but after I wake up I'm going to prepare for an attach By JEWISH PEOPLE." Is this seriously what you think he was saying?
chasd00 4y ago
heh well i seriously doubt Kanye has the slightest clue about the actual meaning of defcon levels. but i was thinking, does this tweet "I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE," incite violence? I don't think it does. Now if he said "when i wake up i want to read on the news how all of you went death con 3 on JEWISH PEOPLE" that would be inciting violence to me. btw, i'm thankful Taylor Swift is mostly benign, her fans are fanatical to the point of acting like a brain washed cult. Anything she tells them to do is done.
lamontcg 4y ago
"death" con 3 Can't understand how you can be racing to explain and apologize that.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  So because he said death con (instead of DEFCON), it had some secret meaning that meant something entirely different and you have proof of this where? I am no fan of Kanye, but people see what they want to see. Maybe he was making some trope about the holocaust, but even holocaust denial isn't illegal in the US.