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I totally agree. Here's my hypothesis as to why people are so glib about throwing away their lives for their employer: People depend on their employer for the

I totally agree. Here's my hypothesis as to why people are so glib about throwing away their lives for their employer: People depend on their employer for their entire livelyhood. This day and age, without a pay check, you can't have any basic needs: Shelter, food or water and you'd be out on the street or worse: the average homeless person (it's shocking) lives 30 years less than a housed one. So, it's no surprise that a large segement of people end up with stockholm's syndrom from their employer. they begin to identify with their captor and even take on their values and their beliefs. If you're kidnapped, at least you have some hope of escape. but when you're employed, you are the prison guard who holds the key. so you have no hope of escape, this amplifies the stockholm's syndrom.

deltree7 4y ago
Can you apply your brilliant logic to Elon Musk who works 100 hours per week? or Warren Buffett who still goes to work? Many people enjoy work.
- throw8383833jj 4y ago
  Gladly. Everyone, even billionaires undergo social conditioning from an early age. Some people have a need to be successful in order to feel good about themselves. they feel they need to "be" someone. And for some, their work becomes a part of their identity. Becoming a billionaire doesn't free you from all the stuff that's been conditioned into you.
- noahchumsky 4y ago
  Do you seriously think Elon works 100 hours a week? What evidence do you have to support this? Most people do find fulfillment out of work, many even enjoy it, myself included. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight to be compensated for what we put in, and doesn't mean we shouldn't practice solidarity with coworkers, many of whom don't have the time to work as much as we do (for example a working mother).
  - rurp 4y ago
    Exactly. A lot of Elon's "working" hours are doing completely unproductive things that he enjoys, like posting childish memes on Twitter or belittling people he has power over.
- civopsec 4y ago
  > Can you apply your brilliant logic to Elon Musk who works 100 hours per week? or Warren Buffett who still goes to work? I called Elon’s boss and he corroborated it. His boss even makes him use one of those punchcard machines—how quaint!
subroutine 4y ago
Just so I understand, your world view is that normality means disliking your job; anyone who enjoys their job is suffering from stockholm's syndrome. Even if you're making a quarter mil per year, if you stay after-hours with coworker buddies to implement a feature that augments the experience of millions of people, you're a total sucker.
- rurp 4y ago
  That's not at all what the GP post said. It's clearly about employees who are fine being exploited at work, not all employees everywhere. Some employees are OK with working immense amounts of unpaid overtime to please a Musk-type boss. That's a very different situation than the type of employee who has a life outside of work and wants to get paid fairly.
- ilyt 4y ago
  Sure but how many people do that ? I like my job. I like my hobbies better. I'd still not trade hobbies for job just to give users a feature week early. I'm fine with working extra occasionally but that's what I signed for by picking jobs in ops, not because I think that's good. Also, OP is OBVIOUSLY talking about people that maybe have few months of savings and have them getting fired heavily affect their lives, not people earning 250k
  - subroutine 4y ago
    The person in the article.

deltree7 4y ago

Can you apply your brilliant logic to Elon Musk who works 100 hours per week? or Warren Buffett who still goes to work? Many people enjoy work.

throw8383833jj 4y ago
Gladly. Everyone, even billionaires undergo social conditioning from an early age. Some people have a need to be successful in order to feel good about themselves. they feel they need to "be" someone. And for some, their work becomes a part of their identity. Becoming a billionaire doesn't free you from all the stuff that's been conditioned into you.
noahchumsky 4y ago
Do you seriously think Elon works 100 hours a week? What evidence do you have to support this? Most people do find fulfillment out of work, many even enjoy it, myself included. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight to be compensated for what we put in, and doesn't mean we shouldn't practice solidarity with coworkers, many of whom don't have the time to work as much as we do (for example a working mother).
- rurp 4y ago
  Exactly. A lot of Elon's "working" hours are doing completely unproductive things that he enjoys, like posting childish memes on Twitter or belittling people he has power over.
civopsec 4y ago
> Can you apply your brilliant logic to Elon Musk who works 100 hours per week? or Warren Buffett who still goes to work? I called Elon’s boss and he corroborated it. His boss even makes him use one of those punchcard machines—how quaint!

subroutine 4y ago

Just so I understand, your world view is that normality means disliking your job; anyone who enjoys their job is suffering from stockholm's syndrome. Even if you're making a quarter mil per year, if you stay after-hours with coworker buddies to implement a feature that augments the experience of millions of people, you're a total sucker.

rurp 4y ago
That's not at all what the GP post said. It's clearly about employees who are fine being exploited at work, not all employees everywhere. Some employees are OK with working immense amounts of unpaid overtime to please a Musk-type boss. That's a very different situation than the type of employee who has a life outside of work and wants to get paid fairly.
ilyt 4y ago
Sure but how many people do that ? I like my job. I like my hobbies better. I'd still not trade hobbies for job just to give users a feature week early. I'm fine with working extra occasionally but that's what I signed for by picking jobs in ops, not because I think that's good. Also, OP is OBVIOUSLY talking about people that maybe have few months of savings and have them getting fired heavily affect their lives, not people earning 250k
- subroutine 4y ago
  The person in the article.