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> The wheels of justice grind slowly but fine. The day after any fraud, HN is filled with conclusions that the fraudster will walk free. (Holmes until the day o

> The wheels of justice grind slowly but fine. The day after any fraud, HN is filled with conclusions that the fraudster will walk free. (Holmes until the day of her sentencing.) This is part of the problem, is it not? There are tiers of justice. Law and order types shriek about how none of us are safe because presumptively innocent people who shoplift or jump turnstiles are not kept in cages before their trial. Meanwhile, you can steal billions of dollars or forge medical data and you're not only walking free, but invited to speak at glamorous conferences.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> you can steal billions of dollars or forge medical data and you're not only walking free, but invited to speak at glamorous conferences Plenty of felons speak at conferences? And again, you’re asking for instantaneous indictment. That’s not how competent legal systems work.
- jakelazaroff 4y ago
  The indictment I'm asking for is no more instantaneous than is standard for low-level arrestees.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    Low level arrestees don't get indicted, generally; indictments aren't required in most states even for felonies (unlike the federal system) and some states have entirely abolished indictment and criminal grand juries, so indictments tend to only happen for federal and a fraction of state felonies, biased toward more major felonies in the states that use the system. And when someone is accused of minor low-level offenses, prosecutors aren't worried about losing the ability to prosecute potentially multiple major crimes, and to lose access to any restitution and criminal forefeiture actions associated with them, by premature prosecution of lesser included offenses blocking the more major ones under double jeopardy rules.
mywittyname 4y ago
> because presumptively innocent people who shoplift or jump turnstiles are not kept in cages before their trial. But they are, and therein lie the hypocrisy. If you're wealthy, then you get the opportunity to turn yourself in after weeks or months to get your affairs in order, while regular people who allegedly commit minor crimes get a gun pointed at them, roughed up, arrested, and shoved in a cell for who knows how long until they are finally informed that they have a bench warrant out on them for something that happened in 2017.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > until they are finally informed that they have a bench warrant out on them for something that happened in 2017 If you’re wealthy and ignore warrants until a traffic stop, this happens to you too.
  - notch656a 4y ago
    IANAL and this isn't legal advice, but the example warrants I found issue by a state government only command the officer of the state it happens in to perform the arrest. I'm not certain an officer out of state from the offense would be commanded to serve the warrant, rather than just have the option. And the rich often perform their shenanigans somewhere else so they don't shit where they eat. See an example arrest warrant http://www.georgetowncriminaldefenselawyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Warrant-of-Arrest.jpg http://www.georgetowncriminaldefenselawyer.com/wp-content/up...
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JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> you can steal billions of dollars or forge medical data and you're not only walking free, but invited to speak at glamorous conferences Plenty of felons speak at conferences? And again, you’re asking for instantaneous indictment. That’s not how competent legal systems work.

jakelazaroff 4y ago
The indictment I'm asking for is no more instantaneous than is standard for low-level arrestees.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  Low level arrestees don't get indicted, generally; indictments aren't required in most states even for felonies (unlike the federal system) and some states have entirely abolished indictment and criminal grand juries, so indictments tend to only happen for federal and a fraction of state felonies, biased toward more major felonies in the states that use the system. And when someone is accused of minor low-level offenses, prosecutors aren't worried about losing the ability to prosecute potentially multiple major crimes, and to lose access to any restitution and criminal forefeiture actions associated with them, by premature prosecution of lesser included offenses blocking the more major ones under double jeopardy rules.

mywittyname 4y ago

> because presumptively innocent people who shoplift or jump turnstiles are not kept in cages before their trial. But they are, and therein lie the hypocrisy. If you're wealthy, then you get the opportunity to turn yourself in after weeks or months to get your affairs in order, while regular people who allegedly commit minor crimes get a gun pointed at them, roughed up, arrested, and shoved in a cell for who knows how long until they are finally informed that they have a bench warrant out on them for something that happened in 2017.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> until they are finally informed that they have a bench warrant out on them for something that happened in 2017 If you’re wealthy and ignore warrants until a traffic stop, this happens to you too.
- notch656a 4y ago
  IANAL and this isn't legal advice, but the example warrants I found issue by a state government only command the officer of the state it happens in to perform the arrest. I'm not certain an officer out of state from the offense would be commanded to serve the warrant, rather than just have the option. And the rich often perform their shenanigans somewhere else so they don't shit where they eat. See an example arrest warrant http://www.georgetowncriminaldefenselawyer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Warrant-of-Arrest.jpg http://www.georgetowncriminaldefenselawyer.com/wp-content/up...

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