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That's not really what happened to the Babylon Bee, though. They intentionally named a trans woman as their "man of the year". That would be Level Three of this

That's not really what happened to the Babylon Bee, though. They intentionally named a trans woman as their "man of the year". That would be Level Three of this article: > Level Three: “We’re the free speech platform! But no CSAM and no infringement!” > Power to the people. Freedom is great! > “Right, boss, apparently because you keep talking about freedom, a large group of people are taking it to mean they have ‘freedom’ to harass people with slurs and all sorts of abuse. People are leaving the site because of it, and advertisers are pulling ads.” > That seems bad. Quick, have someone write up some rules against hate speech.

anon291 4y ago
- jakelazaroff 4y ago
  Why did you feel the need to misrepresent what actually happened, then? The word "trans" is conspicuously absent from your original comment; you described it as "a satire article naming a national bureaucrat as man of the year".
  - anon291 4y ago
    Because it's not particularly relevant. Satire articles make jokes about all kinds of people. For example, SNL regularly has females portray cis males and males portray cis females. Politicians regularly (rightly or wrongly) attack their opponents as not living up to whatever gender ideals exist. As an example, SNL had a lady play Rudy Giuliani to make fun of him: https://popculture.com/tv-shows/news/snl-cecily-strongs-michigan-lady-parody-from-rudy-giuliani-testimony-has-fans-rolling/ https://popculture.com/tv-shows/news/snl-cecily-strongs-mich... Why is one acceptable and the other not, other than one's own perceived bias about which 'side' has the moral upper hand?
    - jakelazaroff 4y ago
      It's "not particularly relevant" except for the part where it was the reason they were banned. Deliberately misgendering someone is not the same as making fun of them. The Babylon Bee's entire punchline is just that they're using a hateful slur.
      - ilyt 4y ago
        Yeah still not seeing it as something worth banning people over or having any actual harm. I didn't boycott the shop where cashier called me a girl either.
      - yumyumyum 4y ago
        It was a satire on USA Today naming Levine as one of their Women Of The Year despite him not actually being a woman. The message underlying this is: if men who, as the Bee put it, "dress like a western cultural stereotype of a woman" are now eligible for women's awards, then what does that leave for actual women to be honoured as women?
      - anon291 4y ago
        On the contrary, the bee and others would argue that giving awards for women to biological males who dress like women is yet another form of discrimination against women. How can you honestly say that the bee should be banned for using satire to point out discrimination against women and compare that to Nazi germany? This is the moral bankruptcy I was talking about
        jakelazaroff 4y ago
        “How can you honestly say that someone should be banned for using satire to point out Jewish control of the banking system and compare that to Nazi germany? This is the moral bankruptcy I was talking about.” You see how that sounds? How do you think the Nazis treated trans people? You think it turned out any better for them than for the Jews?
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- lanstin 4y ago
  Remembering the context of people being killed for being trans as a relatively common event. It hasn't reached the millions by any means but we'd like it stopped sooner than that.
  - mftrhu 4y ago
    People also seem to forget just how the Nazi got started [1], and who they also targeted for extermination [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings#The_burnings_start https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings#The_burning... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle
    - nadieyninguno1 4y ago
  - LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
  - bunnvr 4y ago
    It's incredibly uncommon. Not only that, the murder rate for women is higher than the rate for transwomen. And higher for men then transmen.
    - anon291 4y ago
      In fact the murder rate for men is higher than everyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender Worldwide, men constitute 78.7% of homicide victims, making cis men the largest group of homicide victims.
- qayxc 4y ago
  The line couldn't get any blurrier. The Swastika is a symbol that's been in use for thousands of years in Asia, Africa, the Americas and Europe. Its association with mass murder is so very recent, it's almost ridiculous that that's the first thing that comes to mind upon seeing one. Context and all that. Same goes for deliberately mis-labelling a person. Ironically, the Nazis started their hateful propaganda in the very same way. Over 2000 years ago, Ovid said "Principiis obsta. Sero medicina parata, cum mala per longas convaluere moras." - stop it at the beginning; a cure is attempted too late when, through long delay, the illness has gained strength.

anon291 4y ago

jakelazaroff 4y ago
Why did you feel the need to misrepresent what actually happened, then? The word "trans" is conspicuously absent from your original comment; you described it as "a satire article naming a national bureaucrat as man of the year".
- anon291 4y ago
  Because it's not particularly relevant. Satire articles make jokes about all kinds of people. For example, SNL regularly has females portray cis males and males portray cis females. Politicians regularly (rightly or wrongly) attack their opponents as not living up to whatever gender ideals exist. As an example, SNL had a lady play Rudy Giuliani to make fun of him: https://popculture.com/tv-shows/news/snl-cecily-strongs-michigan-lady-parody-from-rudy-giuliani-testimony-has-fans-rolling/ https://popculture.com/tv-shows/news/snl-cecily-strongs-mich... Why is one acceptable and the other not, other than one's own perceived bias about which 'side' has the moral upper hand?
  - jakelazaroff 4y ago
    It's "not particularly relevant" except for the part where it was the reason they were banned. Deliberately misgendering someone is not the same as making fun of them. The Babylon Bee's entire punchline is just that they're using a hateful slur.
    - ilyt 4y ago
      Yeah still not seeing it as something worth banning people over or having any actual harm. I didn't boycott the shop where cashier called me a girl either.
    - yumyumyum 4y ago
      It was a satire on USA Today naming Levine as one of their Women Of The Year despite him not actually being a woman. The message underlying this is: if men who, as the Bee put it, "dress like a western cultural stereotype of a woman" are now eligible for women's awards, then what does that leave for actual women to be honoured as women?
    - anon291 4y ago
      On the contrary, the bee and others would argue that giving awards for women to biological males who dress like women is yet another form of discrimination against women. How can you honestly say that the bee should be banned for using satire to point out discrimination against women and compare that to Nazi germany? This is the moral bankruptcy I was talking about
      - jakelazaroff 4y ago
        “How can you honestly say that someone should be banned for using satire to point out Jewish control of the banking system and compare that to Nazi germany? This is the moral bankruptcy I was talking about.” You see how that sounds? How do you think the Nazis treated trans people? You think it turned out any better for them than for the Jews?
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lanstin 4y ago
Remembering the context of people being killed for being trans as a relatively common event. It hasn't reached the millions by any means but we'd like it stopped sooner than that.
- mftrhu 4y ago
  People also seem to forget just how the Nazi got started [1], and who they also targeted for extermination [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings#The_burnings_start https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_book_burnings#The_burning... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_triangle
  - nadieyninguno1 4y ago
- LawTalkingGuy 4y ago
- bunnvr 4y ago
  It's incredibly uncommon. Not only that, the murder rate for women is higher than the rate for transwomen. And higher for men then transmen.
  - anon291 4y ago
    In fact the murder rate for men is higher than everyone: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_statistics_by_gender Worldwide, men constitute 78.7% of homicide victims, making cis men the largest group of homicide victims.
qayxc 4y ago
The line couldn't get any blurrier. The Swastika is a symbol that's been in use for thousands of years in Asia, Africa, the Americas and Europe. Its association with mass murder is so very recent, it's almost ridiculous that that's the first thing that comes to mind upon seeing one. Context and all that. Same goes for deliberately mis-labelling a person. Ironically, the Nazis started their hateful propaganda in the very same way. Over 2000 years ago, Ovid said "Principiis obsta. Sero medicina parata, cum mala per longas convaluere moras." - stop it at the beginning; a cure is attempted too late when, through long delay, the illness has gained strength.