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I don't understand this. Does Apple market their M1 as "it depends" ? Or do they say "When you need the highest level of performance ever in a Mac notebook, the

I don't understand this. Does Apple market their M1 as "it depends" ? Or do they say "When you need the highest level of performance ever in a Mac notebook, there’s M1 Max.". I would be insisting Apple actually backup their claim rather than criticizing the OP.

tharkun__ 4y ago
How does marketing come in? The OP made a claim of basically (paraphrasing here): "this thing blows, it results in a 50% performance drop for test suites". I believe him for his case. Our case was showing the oppositebehavior. Thus it seems to depend. Simple logic.
- madsbuch 4y ago
  Please refrain from indicating that I wrote something I absolute did not. I said "As an example ..." which you are paraphrasing into "... for test suites". You are paraphrasing my existentialistic argument into a universal argument. Please never do this.
  - tharkun__ 4y ago
    Not sure why you felt the need to say the same thing twice. My reply to this would be the same as above, i.e. see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33844284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33844284 It seems like something that is prone to happen in text and 'on the interwebs' in particular, where we don't have intonation and don't know each other. FWIW, I wasn't being mad or anything. I just read your post in a different way than you meant it and as I explain above I think it's absolutely possible to read it that way. Everything else is just following from that and the thread you're replying in here has almost nothing to do with you any more and is just trap_goes_hot going on some tangent and me replying to the trolling more than your topic. I spontaneously laughed at the moldy cookie thing and I almost had to upvote him/her for that lol!
- trap_goes_hot 4y ago
  People review products for their own use case. I see the comment and I go okay - thats a one star review. You may give it a 4/5 star, so its all good then?
  - tharkun__ 4y ago
    I apologize in advance to other readers, but feeding this troll is sort of fun. I only have this one cookie left anyway. In fact, yes, that is exactly how reviews should work, if there wasn't so many fake reviews that it's not helping. People have a tendency to review and especially comment on a review, if they have an issue with something. Even a product with 3 stars could actually be a 4.5 star overall. The comments are more important than the number. Like with most 'metrics'. They can make you look but you really have to take a qualitative look after that. Take lots of Amazon reviews that are 1 star and if you read the review comment it says something along the lines of "Product came damaged in the box and Amazon support wouldn't replace it". Or 5 star reviews with text like "Arrived super fast, haven't had a chance to try it yet". The reviews are meant to be for the product not Amazon's service or shipping speed. Likewise if someone buys say a fish knife and then comments with a 1 star review of "Useless, can't make proper feather sticks or split wood at the camp site." And then I may give a 5 star w/ comment "Awesome fish knife, cut up and filleted the fish I caught beautifully. Been using it for a year now and shows no signs of wear."
    - trap_goes_hot 4y ago
      The OP used a product and it didn't perform as expected. The expectations are set by the marketing material, and conversations and comments by other fans enthusing about "awesome performance". I have no clue what you're talking about calling it a fake review and such. Your cookie was a bit moldy ;)

tharkun__ 4y ago

How does marketing come in? The OP made a claim of basically (paraphrasing here): "this thing blows, it results in a 50% performance drop for test suites". I believe him for his case. Our case was showing the oppositebehavior. Thus it seems to depend. Simple logic.

madsbuch 4y ago
Please refrain from indicating that I wrote something I absolute did not. I said "As an example ..." which you are paraphrasing into "... for test suites". You are paraphrasing my existentialistic argument into a universal argument. Please never do this.
- tharkun__ 4y ago
  Not sure why you felt the need to say the same thing twice. My reply to this would be the same as above, i.e. see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33844284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33844284 It seems like something that is prone to happen in text and 'on the interwebs' in particular, where we don't have intonation and don't know each other. FWIW, I wasn't being mad or anything. I just read your post in a different way than you meant it and as I explain above I think it's absolutely possible to read it that way. Everything else is just following from that and the thread you're replying in here has almost nothing to do with you any more and is just trap_goes_hot going on some tangent and me replying to the trolling more than your topic. I spontaneously laughed at the moldy cookie thing and I almost had to upvote him/her for that lol!
trap_goes_hot 4y ago
People review products for their own use case. I see the comment and I go okay - thats a one star review. You may give it a 4/5 star, so its all good then?
- tharkun__ 4y ago
  I apologize in advance to other readers, but feeding this troll is sort of fun. I only have this one cookie left anyway. In fact, yes, that is exactly how reviews should work, if there wasn't so many fake reviews that it's not helping. People have a tendency to review and especially comment on a review, if they have an issue with something. Even a product with 3 stars could actually be a 4.5 star overall. The comments are more important than the number. Like with most 'metrics'. They can make you look but you really have to take a qualitative look after that. Take lots of Amazon reviews that are 1 star and if you read the review comment it says something along the lines of "Product came damaged in the box and Amazon support wouldn't replace it". Or 5 star reviews with text like "Arrived super fast, haven't had a chance to try it yet". The reviews are meant to be for the product not Amazon's service or shipping speed. Likewise if someone buys say a fish knife and then comments with a 1 star review of "Useless, can't make proper feather sticks or split wood at the camp site." And then I may give a 5 star w/ comment "Awesome fish knife, cut up and filleted the fish I caught beautifully. Been using it for a year now and shows no signs of wear."
  - trap_goes_hot 4y ago
    The OP used a product and it didn't perform as expected. The expectations are set by the marketing material, and conversations and comments by other fans enthusing about "awesome performance". I have no clue what you're talking about calling it a fake review and such. Your cookie was a bit moldy ;)