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Symbols associated with credible calls to violence. Pirates are more a joke, the CCP is trash but is known more as the government of mainland China than for the

by nailer 4y ago

Symbols associated with credible calls to violence. Pirates are more a joke, the CCP is trash but is known more as the government of mainland China than for their murders. Jewish people are beaten for existing to this day particularly by black Americans. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=men+are+not+women+twitter&t=iphone&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=men+are+not+women+twitter&t=iphone...

paxys 4y ago
Who gets to decide what is or isn't a joke? I assume you'd be okay with Twitter (and other forms of media) banning right-wing politicians and groups in the USA that associate with Nazis and fly Nazi flags at their rallies? Or those who call for Jewish people to be exterminated? Except no, everyone was up in arms about Twitter and liberals doing just that pre-Musk, because "free speech". Banning Kanye a month ago was the worst thing in the world, and today it's completely justified (despite the fact that he is posting much milder stuff). Funny how the conversation has turned now, and everything Musk does is justified using whatever mental gymnastics is necessary.
- nailer 4y ago
  > fly Nazi flags at their rallies? Or those who call for Jewish people to be exterminated Yes. I would support this ban for same reason I support Kanye being banned. > associate with Nazis I don’t support guilt by association. Punish people that do bad things not people that talk to people that do bad things. > Except no, everyone was up in arms about Twitter and liberals doing just that pre-Musk No they weren’t. They were pissed off about political bans not bans on racial violence. I mentioned an example earlier in this thread. I don’t think you listen to people that you perceive to be your opponents. Edit (can’t reply due to rate limit): I don’t think Kanye should have been reinstated after “death con 3” - please, if you want to know my opinion on something, just ask rather than assuming.
  - paxys 4y ago
    > Yes. I would support this ban for same reason I support Kanye being banned. Twitter banned Kanye for exactly this, were heavily criticized for it, and Musk reinstated him when he took over. So what is different now? If anything his recent tweets are milder (remember going "death con 3 on jewish people")? And why is trans hate okay but Jewish hate grounds for an instant ban?
    - ss108 4y ago
      I am on your side generally, but are you labelling "men are not women" (or w/e) hate speech? I think this is the sort of thing that poses a problem; that's basically a position on a controversial issue. It's not hate speech anymore than saying "There is no God" is hate speech against religious people.
      - assbuttbuttass 4y ago
        I think a closer equivalent would be saying "marriage is between a man and a woman"
        ss108 4y ago
        I disagree; I think saying God doesn't exist is much closer. Some people have a subjective belief God exists. Some of them admit it is subjective, others assert that God objectively exists. People who do not believe in God typically say no, it's not subjective, and, as a descriptive matter, we have no evidence God exists, etc. Similarly, some people believe gender is subjective, and that people can "be" another gender if they feel like it (if I am getting this wrong lmk; it's obviously a simplistic statement of that position). Others believe the question is purely objective and determined by observable biology--i.e. "it's not subjective, and as a descriptive matter, you are x gender". In contrast, "marriage is between a man and a woman" is basically purely normative. It is not a statement about what "is". It is a statement about what should be.
        assbuttbuttass 4y ago
        "Trans people exist" is an objective statement of fact (though some people would say it's just a "choice"). But also, "trans women are women" is normative, since it seeks to prescribe how trans people are treated by society.
mikkergp 4y ago
> Symbols associated with credible calls to violence. This seems very squishy to me, I mean, fine, I don’t disagree, but it’s exactly the kind of thing old Twitter would be dragged for. Which symbols are “credible calls to violence” and who gets to decide that? Musk? I mean yes from a legal perspective he owns it, but his whole Schtick was greater transparency. If he wants to run Twitter “same as the old guard but his opinion, not theirs” ok, but then I want to stop hearing the moral grandstanding.
- triceratops 4y ago
  > If he wants to run Twitter “same as the old guard but his opinion, not theirs” ok Right?! His property, his rules - it's totally fine whatever he decides. He just doesn't get wrap himself in the free speech flag.
djbebs 4y ago
Are you banning the us flag?
- nailer 4y ago
  See previous answer re: CCP.
the_only_law 4y ago
> Pirates are more a joke Get captured by pirates and see how much of a joke it is.
eimrine 4y ago
> Symbols associated with credible calls to violence. How about the Confederation flag?

by nailer 4y ago

paxys 4y ago

Who gets to decide what is or isn't a joke? I assume you'd be okay with Twitter (and other forms of media) banning right-wing politicians and groups in the USA that associate with Nazis and fly Nazi flags at their rallies? Or those who call for Jewish people to be exterminated? Except no, everyone was up in arms about Twitter and liberals doing just that pre-Musk, because "free speech". Banning Kanye a month ago was the worst thing in the world, and today it's completely justified (despite the fact that he is posting much milder stuff). Funny how the conversation has turned now, and everything Musk does is justified using whatever mental gymnastics is necessary.

nailer 4y ago
> fly Nazi flags at their rallies? Or those who call for Jewish people to be exterminated Yes. I would support this ban for same reason I support Kanye being banned. > associate with Nazis I don’t support guilt by association. Punish people that do bad things not people that talk to people that do bad things. > Except no, everyone was up in arms about Twitter and liberals doing just that pre-Musk No they weren’t. They were pissed off about political bans not bans on racial violence. I mentioned an example earlier in this thread. I don’t think you listen to people that you perceive to be your opponents. Edit (can’t reply due to rate limit): I don’t think Kanye should have been reinstated after “death con 3” - please, if you want to know my opinion on something, just ask rather than assuming.
- paxys 4y ago
  > Yes. I would support this ban for same reason I support Kanye being banned. Twitter banned Kanye for exactly this, were heavily criticized for it, and Musk reinstated him when he took over. So what is different now? If anything his recent tweets are milder (remember going "death con 3 on jewish people")? And why is trans hate okay but Jewish hate grounds for an instant ban?
  - ss108 4y ago
    I am on your side generally, but are you labelling "men are not women" (or w/e) hate speech? I think this is the sort of thing that poses a problem; that's basically a position on a controversial issue. It's not hate speech anymore than saying "There is no God" is hate speech against religious people.
    - assbuttbuttass 4y ago
      I think a closer equivalent would be saying "marriage is between a man and a woman"
      - ss108 4y ago
        I disagree; I think saying God doesn't exist is much closer. Some people have a subjective belief God exists. Some of them admit it is subjective, others assert that God objectively exists. People who do not believe in God typically say no, it's not subjective, and, as a descriptive matter, we have no evidence God exists, etc. Similarly, some people believe gender is subjective, and that people can "be" another gender if they feel like it (if I am getting this wrong lmk; it's obviously a simplistic statement of that position). Others believe the question is purely objective and determined by observable biology--i.e. "it's not subjective, and as a descriptive matter, you are x gender". In contrast, "marriage is between a man and a woman" is basically purely normative. It is not a statement about what "is". It is a statement about what should be.
        assbuttbuttass 4y ago
        "Trans people exist" is an objective statement of fact (though some people would say it's just a "choice"). But also, "trans women are women" is normative, since it seeks to prescribe how trans people are treated by society.

mikkergp 4y ago

> Symbols associated with credible calls to violence. This seems very squishy to me, I mean, fine, I don’t disagree, but it’s exactly the kind of thing old Twitter would be dragged for. Which symbols are “credible calls to violence” and who gets to decide that? Musk? I mean yes from a legal perspective he owns it, but his whole Schtick was greater transparency. If he wants to run Twitter “same as the old guard but his opinion, not theirs” ok, but then I want to stop hearing the moral grandstanding.

triceratops 4y ago
> If he wants to run Twitter “same as the old guard but his opinion, not theirs” ok Right?! His property, his rules - it's totally fine whatever he decides. He just doesn't get wrap himself in the free speech flag.

djbebs 4y ago

Are you banning the us flag?

nailer 4y ago
See previous answer re: CCP.

the_only_law 4y ago

> Pirates are more a joke Get captured by pirates and see how much of a joke it is.

eimrine 4y ago

> Symbols associated with credible calls to violence. How about the Confederation flag?