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> They also wrote books, letters, and op-eds, all part of the historical record, and available if you were willing to spend a little energy on this subject. Mi

> They also wrote books, letters, and op-eds, all part of the historical record, and available if you were willing to spend a little energy on this subject. Mind citing any? I'm not going to try to do the work to substantiate someone else's claim, and besides, if I don't find anything that agrees with it your response would just be that I did not look hard enough. If you can't cite something, that is fine, just say this is your opinion, that is entirely okay, but claiming something as fact puts the burden of proof on you to substantiate it. I'm not an American either, and my grandfather is demented now but I think I know him well enough to know that he is would not have done something like that, and I know of at least one case that could be said to show the opposite, where he voted against his own group interest to benefit another group.

syzarian 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight https://the-ard.com/2022/05/31/the-jim-crow-roots-of-loitering-laws/ https://the-ard.com/2022/05/31/the-jim-crow-roots-of-loiteri... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Union_Membership_in_the_United_States,_1960-2020.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_Sta...
- flanked-evergl 4y ago
  I asked specific questions: > What were these interests, and was their intent at the time of "voting against their interests" to injure their own group, and if not what was it? > Do we have any insights into their state of mind when taking these actions, and a clear objective understanding of their actual interests, or is this just your interpretation of their actions? This, at a glance, answers none of those. I'm not going to go do research to clarify someone else's claim. If they did not want to make it, they should not have made it, but they did, and thus it is up to them to clarify it.
  - syzarian 4y ago
    Pattern recognition does not seem to be a forte of yours.
thfuran 4y ago
>I'm not going to try to do the work to substantiate someone else's claim That's fine, but I'm not sure why you'd expect someone else to do it for you. >and besides, if I don't find anything that agrees with it your response would just be that I did not look hard enough. And now you're the one making unsupported claims.

syzarian 4y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight https://the-ard.com/2022/05/31/the-jim-crow-roots-of-loitering-laws/ https://the-ard.com/2022/05/31/the-jim-crow-roots-of-loiteri... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Union_Membership_in_the_United_States,_1960-2020.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_Sta...

flanked-evergl 4y ago
I asked specific questions: > What were these interests, and was their intent at the time of "voting against their interests" to injure their own group, and if not what was it? > Do we have any insights into their state of mind when taking these actions, and a clear objective understanding of their actual interests, or is this just your interpretation of their actions? This, at a glance, answers none of those. I'm not going to go do research to clarify someone else's claim. If they did not want to make it, they should not have made it, but they did, and thus it is up to them to clarify it.
- syzarian 4y ago
  Pattern recognition does not seem to be a forte of yours.

thfuran 4y ago

>I'm not going to try to do the work to substantiate someone else's claim That's fine, but I'm not sure why you'd expect someone else to do it for you. >and besides, if I don't find anything that agrees with it your response would just be that I did not look hard enough. And now you're the one making unsupported claims.