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I could not disagree more. Professional photographers require good reliable connectivity. Nikon cameras are extremely clunky in this regard. Similarly, their

I could not disagree more. Professional photographers require good reliable connectivity. Nikon cameras are extremely clunky in this regard. Similarly, their menu system is atrocious. I am not saying this as somebody who looked at a camera once and said "this is too hard". I ran a photo business from 2008 to 2018, read all the manuals intimately and worked with Nikon cameras daily, and came to it from techie nerd perspective and knew what every button option and mode does in intricate detail. "Great hardware, horrible software" is well understood state of camera business last 2 decades. I now have two young kids. I have 4 dslr and two mirrorless cameras at home... And take kids photos with my cell - because it's convenient accessible and fast to transmit. Why can't I have an efficient sharing work flow with my $3000 camera? Because they make sucky closed systems and refuse to change open or learn.

hef19898 4y ago
Studio photographers need connectivity, everyone else needs two fast storage card slots. And your comment is honestly the first time I hear anybody claim Nikons menu system is "bad", especially with all those custom menus and buttons one can set-up to automated basically everything. I never worked with Sony or Canon, so I cannot say how that compares.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  >>Studio photographers need connectivity, everyone else needs two fast storage card slots. That is, at best, myopic. Sports photographers need fast connectivity far more than studio photographers. Their whole business is to take, select, and send shots out as fast as possible. News coverage needs fast connectivity. Think even wedding photography - the ability to share photos to social networks right after ceremony, or display the couple shots during dinner is a professional USP. Instead, I'm juggling card reader, with my "two fast cards" and laptop and lightroom on my lap during speeches. Just about every type of photography, professional or consumer, benefits from fast and easy connectivity. >>And your comment is honestly the first time I hear anybody claim Nikons menu system is "bad" Possible. we simply have different colleagues and frequent different forums then :). Their menu system is powerful but poorly designed. Why are there two different types of setting banks? Why aren't there hardware buttons to select them? Why is some stuff unDer shooting but other under 6 layers of custom setting menu? Which is different than setup menu? Why is AF ON setup not under "controls"? And myriad other idiosyncracies. Just because you're used to it (as am I!) does not make it good.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Damn, forgot about sports... Funny so that theose pros seem to be really happy with their 6k camera bodies paired with 10k+ optics, one would assume that if connectivity would be a killer feature, like AF back when Canon ate the sports market from Nikon, someone between Nikon, Canon, Sony or Fuji would implement it. The money is definitely there.
    - NikolaNovak 4y ago
      I 100% agree with that assumption. But sport pro photographers I follow haven't stopped complaining about connectivity and work flow for a decade (while being as you say happy with hardware and optics). Granted it's a small sample, as sport photography isn't my thing. :-/ And again, for myself, I'm in a "shut up and take my money" for camera that would allow me to seemlessly capture and share photography. As you say, that's money in the table. And I'm not alone in my group of friends and colleagues.
    - buildbot 4y ago
      Top end Sports focused bodies typically have Ethernet for fast as possible transfers.
- jimnotgym 4y ago
  Studio photographers can at least shoot 'tethered' to a computer by cable more easily than others.
D13Fd 4y ago
I mostly agree. I have three DSLRs and several very high-end lenses, but I take way more photos of my kids with my phone than with the DSLRs. The workflow for getting shots out of the phone is just so much better than the cameras, and the phone is always with me. This isn’t an insurmountable problem. Some Nikon camera bodies have Wi-Fi. If they cared to they could make it much much easier to get photos off and process them. It’s just not a focus of theirs.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  That's the thing. All my Nikon cameras have some sort of wifi or Bluetooth or nfc. All of it is a pain. I agree their hardware and optics are superb. I don't even begin to understand how their work flow or integration are anything but atrocious. They could make their integration software better or let others do it - but they don't!
- LorenPechtel 4y ago
  Yeah, I've got connectivity--and I never use it. I'm not shooting with a PC nearby, I'm bringing home a camera full of shots. And it's *far* faster to pop the card in my PC than transmit them.
jjav 4y ago
> And take kids photos with my cell My conclusion is the exact opposite. Cellphone cameras are so incredibly slow (measuring time from moment of picking up phone to photo having being taken) that I can't imagine using it for any kid photos since the phtographable moment usually lasts a few seconds, they aren't posing. I keep my older Nikon DSLR cameras around the house so one is usually within easy reach so I can snap a photo in less than a second when a cute kid moment is happening. As to the Nikon menus, atrocious is not a word I could use. Sure it's always possible to nitpick something I'd do differently but they work just fine. More importantly, after initial setup it's not something I use much since everything is controlled by the physical buttons and that's the overwhelming win of a DSLR over a phone (and photo quality of course).
- LorenPechtel 4y ago
  DSLR powered up has a time to shot similar to phone already on the camera screen. Either is adequate for casual photography. We don't have any cute kids, but I hike and wildlife shows up now and then. I hike with a bridge camera, not because it's any faster or more convenient than my phone, but because of the lens. I have an older flagship phone, I would say the image quality is as good, but I have yet to get a wildlife shot with it due to the lack of zoom range. My general experience is the harder the shot the more camera you need.
  - jjav 4y ago
    > DSLR powered up has a time to shot similar to phone already on the camera screen. But that's not a realistic comparison since the phone is almost certainly not on the camera screen if I wasn't expecting to take a photo and the phone is just sitting there on the table (or worse, pocket).
    - LorenPechtel 4y ago
      It is a realistic comparison--both are fast from their ready states but the reality is neither is likely in their ready state when you have the cute kid moment.

hef19898 4y ago

Studio photographers need connectivity, everyone else needs two fast storage card slots. And your comment is honestly the first time I hear anybody claim Nikons menu system is "bad", especially with all those custom menus and buttons one can set-up to automated basically everything. I never worked with Sony or Canon, so I cannot say how that compares.

NikolaNovak 4y ago
>>Studio photographers need connectivity, everyone else needs two fast storage card slots. That is, at best, myopic. Sports photographers need fast connectivity far more than studio photographers. Their whole business is to take, select, and send shots out as fast as possible. News coverage needs fast connectivity. Think even wedding photography - the ability to share photos to social networks right after ceremony, or display the couple shots during dinner is a professional USP. Instead, I'm juggling card reader, with my "two fast cards" and laptop and lightroom on my lap during speeches. Just about every type of photography, professional or consumer, benefits from fast and easy connectivity. >>And your comment is honestly the first time I hear anybody claim Nikons menu system is "bad" Possible. we simply have different colleagues and frequent different forums then :). Their menu system is powerful but poorly designed. Why are there two different types of setting banks? Why aren't there hardware buttons to select them? Why is some stuff unDer shooting but other under 6 layers of custom setting menu? Which is different than setup menu? Why is AF ON setup not under "controls"? And myriad other idiosyncracies. Just because you're used to it (as am I!) does not make it good.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Damn, forgot about sports... Funny so that theose pros seem to be really happy with their 6k camera bodies paired with 10k+ optics, one would assume that if connectivity would be a killer feature, like AF back when Canon ate the sports market from Nikon, someone between Nikon, Canon, Sony or Fuji would implement it. The money is definitely there.
  - NikolaNovak 4y ago
    I 100% agree with that assumption. But sport pro photographers I follow haven't stopped complaining about connectivity and work flow for a decade (while being as you say happy with hardware and optics). Granted it's a small sample, as sport photography isn't my thing. :-/ And again, for myself, I'm in a "shut up and take my money" for camera that would allow me to seemlessly capture and share photography. As you say, that's money in the table. And I'm not alone in my group of friends and colleagues.
  - buildbot 4y ago
    Top end Sports focused bodies typically have Ethernet for fast as possible transfers.
jimnotgym 4y ago
Studio photographers can at least shoot 'tethered' to a computer by cable more easily than others.

D13Fd 4y ago

I mostly agree. I have three DSLRs and several very high-end lenses, but I take way more photos of my kids with my phone than with the DSLRs. The workflow for getting shots out of the phone is just so much better than the cameras, and the phone is always with me. This isn’t an insurmountable problem. Some Nikon camera bodies have Wi-Fi. If they cared to they could make it much much easier to get photos off and process them. It’s just not a focus of theirs.

NikolaNovak 4y ago
That's the thing. All my Nikon cameras have some sort of wifi or Bluetooth or nfc. All of it is a pain. I agree their hardware and optics are superb. I don't even begin to understand how their work flow or integration are anything but atrocious. They could make their integration software better or let others do it - but they don't!
LorenPechtel 4y ago
Yeah, I've got connectivity--and I never use it. I'm not shooting with a PC nearby, I'm bringing home a camera full of shots. And it's *far* faster to pop the card in my PC than transmit them.

jjav 4y ago

> And take kids photos with my cell My conclusion is the exact opposite. Cellphone cameras are so incredibly slow (measuring time from moment of picking up phone to photo having being taken) that I can't imagine using it for any kid photos since the phtographable moment usually lasts a few seconds, they aren't posing. I keep my older Nikon DSLR cameras around the house so one is usually within easy reach so I can snap a photo in less than a second when a cute kid moment is happening. As to the Nikon menus, atrocious is not a word I could use. Sure it's always possible to nitpick something I'd do differently but they work just fine. More importantly, after initial setup it's not something I use much since everything is controlled by the physical buttons and that's the overwhelming win of a DSLR over a phone (and photo quality of course).

LorenPechtel 4y ago
DSLR powered up has a time to shot similar to phone already on the camera screen. Either is adequate for casual photography. We don't have any cute kids, but I hike and wildlife shows up now and then. I hike with a bridge camera, not because it's any faster or more convenient than my phone, but because of the lens. I have an older flagship phone, I would say the image quality is as good, but I have yet to get a wildlife shot with it due to the lack of zoom range. My general experience is the harder the shot the more camera you need.
- jjav 4y ago
  > DSLR powered up has a time to shot similar to phone already on the camera screen. But that's not a realistic comparison since the phone is almost certainly not on the camera screen if I wasn't expecting to take a photo and the phone is just sitting there on the table (or worse, pocket).
  - LorenPechtel 4y ago
    It is a realistic comparison--both are fast from their ready states but the reality is neither is likely in their ready state when you have the cute kid moment.