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This is inane. These claims are obviously false on their face. All you have to do is go outside in NYC and it is obvious crime is up. Maybe the trend will reve

This is inane. These claims are obviously false on their face. All you have to do is go outside in NYC and it is obvious crime is up. Maybe the trend will reverse, but there is zero evidence of this and, again, all one has to do is live here. I’ve lived in NYC since 1985. I know what it looks and feels like at different crime levels.

asveikau 4y ago
This is what I don't like about these discussions, and the attitude of people who share your position in them. I try to have a discussion about what the numbers are showing, and you essentially tell me you don't care because your intuitive feeling overrides the numbers. New York had fewer murders in 2020 than it did in 2010. The national trend shows crime decreasing in 2021. I haven't looked at the New York specific data, or preliminary 2022 numbers, but that is the national trend for 2021. I'm in San Francisco and I have to say that all of the rhetoric on this topic regarding this city is pretty heavy on bullshit. Your governor just said "we will never become San Francisco", so if that's the yardstick for terrible, I've got to say that New York is probably doing all right. But I haven't visited since 2021 so I cannot say. None of my friends there are telling me about an out of control crime situation.
- whiddershins 4y ago
  You keep using bad data. Only look at murder rates. Murder is the only crime that is reliably recorded. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-a...
  - asveikau 4y ago
    Bad data to you is data that contradicts your intuition. That ain't how it works. I'll say again: New York had fewer murders in 2020 than it did in 2010.
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    - whiddershins 4y ago
      That’s actually a very good point, and does in fact contradict my intuition.

asveikau 4y ago

This is what I don't like about these discussions, and the attitude of people who share your position in them. I try to have a discussion about what the numbers are showing, and you essentially tell me you don't care because your intuitive feeling overrides the numbers. New York had fewer murders in 2020 than it did in 2010. The national trend shows crime decreasing in 2021. I haven't looked at the New York specific data, or preliminary 2022 numbers, but that is the national trend for 2021. I'm in San Francisco and I have to say that all of the rhetoric on this topic regarding this city is pretty heavy on bullshit. Your governor just said "we will never become San Francisco", so if that's the yardstick for terrible, I've got to say that New York is probably doing all right. But I haven't visited since 2021 so I cannot say. None of my friends there are telling me about an out of control crime situation.

whiddershins 4y ago
You keep using bad data. Only look at murder rates. Murder is the only crime that is reliably recorded. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-and-nonnegligent-manslaughter-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/191223/reported-murder-a...
- asveikau 4y ago
  Bad data to you is data that contradicts your intuition. That ain't how it works. I'll say again: New York had fewer murders in 2020 than it did in 2010.
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  - whiddershins 4y ago
    That’s actually a very good point, and does in fact contradict my intuition.