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Real property is one thing. Chattel property is another. OP used the word property responding to comments using it in the sense of chattel property like a car

Real property is one thing. Chattel property is another. OP used the word property responding to comments using it in the sense of chattel property like a car or a wallet or purse. You're bringing up links to real property like someone's home or livelihood. There's a big difference well recognized in the laws of some states as you point out and totally consistent with OPs point that using lethal force to protect chattel property is not something anyone sane recommends for very practical reasons.

MengerSponge 4y ago
My point is that a disappointing number of people fully believe it would be good and right to shoot a thief dead. They're sane. Radicalized, maybe, but as sane as they come.
- tolleydbg 4y ago
  In the case of my home, as the user mentioned above, consider me radicalized. If someone breaks in, I'm shooting them. I don't have the time, nor should I be required to carry out this mental calculus about the motivations of the person in my home. If you're in my house uninvited, the onus is on the intruder not to be shot. Luckily, I live in a state that agrees with me. The other situations are circumstantial, but if I am being accosted by someone in public, I'm drawing on them. As a pizza delivery driver in my younger years, this happened a lot more than I would have liked. No one got shot because they retreated. If they made a motion towards their waist, back, or lunged, they would have been. In this case, I have issued a warning that this will end badly if you continue, and any further threatening act will get them shot. If you're talking about witnessing a robbery, even of my own property, and the thief running away, then no, that is insane.
- throwaway27727 4y ago
  My belongings are not free for anyone to come and take.
  - MengerSponge 4y ago
    The punishment should suit the crime. Extrajudicial killing, as a rule, is bad policy. There are plenty of societal sticks that are not homesteaders with a rifle.

MengerSponge 4y ago

My point is that a disappointing number of people fully believe it would be good and right to shoot a thief dead. They're sane. Radicalized, maybe, but as sane as they come.

tolleydbg 4y ago
In the case of my home, as the user mentioned above, consider me radicalized. If someone breaks in, I'm shooting them. I don't have the time, nor should I be required to carry out this mental calculus about the motivations of the person in my home. If you're in my house uninvited, the onus is on the intruder not to be shot. Luckily, I live in a state that agrees with me. The other situations are circumstantial, but if I am being accosted by someone in public, I'm drawing on them. As a pizza delivery driver in my younger years, this happened a lot more than I would have liked. No one got shot because they retreated. If they made a motion towards their waist, back, or lunged, they would have been. In this case, I have issued a warning that this will end badly if you continue, and any further threatening act will get them shot. If you're talking about witnessing a robbery, even of my own property, and the thief running away, then no, that is insane.
throwaway27727 4y ago
My belongings are not free for anyone to come and take.
- MengerSponge 4y ago
  The punishment should suit the crime. Extrajudicial killing, as a rule, is bad policy. There are plenty of societal sticks that are not homesteaders with a rifle.