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Given what we we've went though with Covid (i.e., "if you're the least bit sick, stay home...") this makes zero sense. Such double standards don't do well to m

Given what we we've went though with Covid (i.e., "if you're the least bit sick, stay home...") this makes zero sense. Such double standards don't do well to mend confidence. That said, I won't be surprised if there are sick outs in the coming weeks. This negotiation might be over for now, but it's not over for good.

cool_dude85 4y ago
Can't do a sick out if you don't have sick leave. I'm holding out hope for a wildcat strike the way this went down. Remember, union negotiators sent this sellout contract for a membership vote, and now it's being imposed by the party that at least pays lip service to labor. People are going to be pissed. Teachers won some solid victories over the past few years doing wildcat strikes against top brass' wishes, and these guys genuinely have the whole economy by the throat.
- chiefalchemist 4y ago
  Can't? Nah. It might be a high bar, but it's not impossible to jump over it. I suspect there's enough disgust that one or three days here or there would be worth it to enough of those union members. Also, don't discount other unions - that were able to negotiate sick pay - joining forces. They'll recognize this is not a precedent that favors them and won't wait to push back (if they're wise). It's also going to be interesting how this plays out during the next election cycle.
ThunderSizzle 4y ago
Society (and the authorities/governments) were completely inconsistent with it. I still see people who freak out over COVID but don't care about any other contagion. People still talk about COVID testing as if it is a "Are You Contagious?" testing. Even medical facilities keep pushing COVID testing even though it doesn't change the diagnosis, treatment, or outcome; even if you test negative for COVID, you could (1) still have COVID, or (2) still have another contagious disease. If you test positive, you could (1) have COVID, (2) have something else similar enough to COVID, or (3) be a false positive. It's entirely inconsistent and useless. If your sick and you might be contagious, stay home. If your not sick (or sick but not contagious), then you do you.
- DanBC 4y ago
  > It's entirely inconsistent and useless. For some people their infection with covid is going to be mild, and their infection with a cough or cold is going to feel to them similar to covid. But for other people covid is very much more severe than a cough cold. I have cancer, I'm going through chemo. I must not catch a cold, because it could be really serious. But I really must not catch covid, because it could kill me. I'm not expecting society to live in lock down to accommodate me, but if an event asks people to do lateral flow testing before attendance, and someone tests and is positive, I'd like them to not attend, or attend with masking and social distancing. I don't want them to attend, not mask, not socially distance, and then near the end of the event say "oh, by the way, I tested positive for covid this morning". I don't attend events because this is a thing that people do.
- lesuorac 4y ago
  > Even medical facilities keep pushing COVID testing even though it doesn't change the diagnosis, treatment, or outcome (X) Doubt If you're not very sick then sure the treatment isn't going to change much (just fight it off with OTC drugs). But if you actually need any sort of intervention (rare) they'll give you different drugs than say an Ebola infection. > If your not sick (or sick but not contagious), then you do you. Unclear how you know if you're not contagious if you don't actually know what you're sick with.
  - staringback 4y ago
    When I was in NYC a few weeks ago I noticed a plethora of "COVID testing" tents around Manhattan, never did I see anyone actually getting a test there. I can't help but think the employees sitting around and the operators of the testing huts are leeching off government funds in the name of "public health and safety"
    - chiefalchemist 4y ago
      It's all for show. Uncle Sam committed monies to the states and the states to the local municipalities. No politician wants to say "We don't need this" and then have people laid off. No politician wants to say "Give us that money back." This isn't unique to Covid and Covid testing. It's simply much easier to see.
jccalhoun 4y ago
I heard a report on npr where the workers claimed they were supposed to come to work all throughout the pandemic because they were essential workers and of course they didn't have sick days.

cool_dude85 4y ago

Can't do a sick out if you don't have sick leave. I'm holding out hope for a wildcat strike the way this went down. Remember, union negotiators sent this sellout contract for a membership vote, and now it's being imposed by the party that at least pays lip service to labor. People are going to be pissed. Teachers won some solid victories over the past few years doing wildcat strikes against top brass' wishes, and these guys genuinely have the whole economy by the throat.

chiefalchemist 4y ago
Can't? Nah. It might be a high bar, but it's not impossible to jump over it. I suspect there's enough disgust that one or three days here or there would be worth it to enough of those union members. Also, don't discount other unions - that were able to negotiate sick pay - joining forces. They'll recognize this is not a precedent that favors them and won't wait to push back (if they're wise). It's also going to be interesting how this plays out during the next election cycle.

ThunderSizzle 4y ago

Society (and the authorities/governments) were completely inconsistent with it. I still see people who freak out over COVID but don't care about any other contagion. People still talk about COVID testing as if it is a "Are You Contagious?" testing. Even medical facilities keep pushing COVID testing even though it doesn't change the diagnosis, treatment, or outcome; even if you test negative for COVID, you could (1) still have COVID, or (2) still have another contagious disease. If you test positive, you could (1) have COVID, (2) have something else similar enough to COVID, or (3) be a false positive. It's entirely inconsistent and useless. If your sick and you might be contagious, stay home. If your not sick (or sick but not contagious), then you do you.

DanBC 4y ago
> It's entirely inconsistent and useless. For some people their infection with covid is going to be mild, and their infection with a cough or cold is going to feel to them similar to covid. But for other people covid is very much more severe than a cough cold. I have cancer, I'm going through chemo. I must not catch a cold, because it could be really serious. But I really must not catch covid, because it could kill me. I'm not expecting society to live in lock down to accommodate me, but if an event asks people to do lateral flow testing before attendance, and someone tests and is positive, I'd like them to not attend, or attend with masking and social distancing. I don't want them to attend, not mask, not socially distance, and then near the end of the event say "oh, by the way, I tested positive for covid this morning". I don't attend events because this is a thing that people do.
lesuorac 4y ago
> Even medical facilities keep pushing COVID testing even though it doesn't change the diagnosis, treatment, or outcome (X) Doubt If you're not very sick then sure the treatment isn't going to change much (just fight it off with OTC drugs). But if you actually need any sort of intervention (rare) they'll give you different drugs than say an Ebola infection. > If your not sick (or sick but not contagious), then you do you. Unclear how you know if you're not contagious if you don't actually know what you're sick with.
- staringback 4y ago
  When I was in NYC a few weeks ago I noticed a plethora of "COVID testing" tents around Manhattan, never did I see anyone actually getting a test there. I can't help but think the employees sitting around and the operators of the testing huts are leeching off government funds in the name of "public health and safety"
  - chiefalchemist 4y ago
    It's all for show. Uncle Sam committed monies to the states and the states to the local municipalities. No politician wants to say "We don't need this" and then have people laid off. No politician wants to say "Give us that money back." This isn't unique to Covid and Covid testing. It's simply much easier to see.

jccalhoun 4y ago

I heard a report on npr where the workers claimed they were supposed to come to work all throughout the pandemic because they were essential workers and of course they didn't have sick days.