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Stand your ground laws, do not make it legal for someone to run out of their house, shooting at people, if they see them approaching their front door. They als

by b112 4y ago

Stand your ground laws, do not make it legal for someone to run out of their house, shooting at people, if they see them approaching their front door. They also do not make it legal for you to pursue someone either. They have to do with retreating from an assault. Again, this is just another excuse, and part of the problem. The more Americans view interaction through this lens, the worse they are for it.

Dah00n 4y ago
You are both correct. That is the way the law is written but it also does cause more deaths.
mschuster91 4y ago
> Again, this is just another excuse, and part of the problem. The more Americans view interaction through this lens, the worse they are for it. Literally people have died thanks to these laws because of trigger-happy arseholes thinking they're backed by these laws, even if there have been verdicts to the contrary like [1]. The problem is: there are way too many guns in circulation in the US, there are way too many vaguely written (or titled) laws that seem to allow this kind of use, and it sends shockwaves through the country regularly. Hell, it even has an impact on policing because police legitimately have to fear getting shot over as benign interactions as traffic stops [2][3], with the result of outright homicides by cops in return [4]. I'm European and hell no I won't ever visit the US until y'all have your gun problems resolved (and your border control under control instead of employing rapists and other goons with a license to search your electronic devices, but that's another topic). [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/us/michael-drejka-stand-your-ground.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/us/michael-drejka-stand-y... [2] https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2022-11-28/san-diego-police-investigate-after-woman-shot-multiple-times-in-talmadge https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/stor... [3] https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/ga-officer-shot-in-the-head-during-traffic-stop-recounts-near-death-experience-WKJ8gUafIWhELNk9/ https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/ga-officer-s... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile

by b112 4y ago

Dah00n 4y ago

You are both correct. That is the way the law is written but it also does cause more deaths.

mschuster91 4y ago

> Again, this is just another excuse, and part of the problem. The more Americans view interaction through this lens, the worse they are for it. Literally people have died thanks to these laws because of trigger-happy arseholes thinking they're backed by these laws, even if there have been verdicts to the contrary like [1]. The problem is: there are way too many guns in circulation in the US, there are way too many vaguely written (or titled) laws that seem to allow this kind of use, and it sends shockwaves through the country regularly. Hell, it even has an impact on policing because police legitimately have to fear getting shot over as benign interactions as traffic stops [2][3], with the result of outright homicides by cops in return [4]. I'm European and hell no I won't ever visit the US until y'all have your gun problems resolved (and your border control under control instead of employing rapists and other goons with a license to search your electronic devices, but that's another topic). [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/us/michael-drejka-stand-your-ground.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/us/michael-drejka-stand-y... [2] https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2022-11-28/san-diego-police-investigate-after-woman-shot-multiple-times-in-talmadge https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/stor... [3] https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/ga-officer-shot-in-the-head-during-traffic-stop-recounts-near-death-experience-WKJ8gUafIWhELNk9/ https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/ga-officer-s... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile