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if you're lucky, that is; decent chance they'll just shoot you. This is made up gibberish IMO, and it is the real, actual problem. No, you won't get shot. Am

by b112 4y ago

if you're lucky, that is; decent chance they'll just shoot you. This is made up gibberish IMO, and it is the real, actual problem. No, you won't get shot. America ... land of submit to the imagined bully. (How else can this concept be viewed?)

mschuster91 4y ago
> This is made up gibberish IMO, and it is the real, actual problem. No, you won't get shot. The legal basis for that theory, "stand your ground laws", are suspected to lead to ~700 additional shooting killings each year [1]. In a state with these laws on the book, any neighbor's land has to be viewed as potentially deadly hostile. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/21/stand-your-ground-research-homicides/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/21/stand-your-...
- b112 4y ago
  Stand your ground laws, do not make it legal for someone to run out of their house, shooting at people, if they see them approaching their front door. They also do not make it legal for you to pursue someone either. They have to do with retreating from an assault. Again, this is just another excuse, and part of the problem. The more Americans view interaction through this lens, the worse they are for it.
  - Dah00n 4y ago
    You are both correct. That is the way the law is written but it also does cause more deaths.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    > Again, this is just another excuse, and part of the problem. The more Americans view interaction through this lens, the worse they are for it. Literally people have died thanks to these laws because of trigger-happy arseholes thinking they're backed by these laws, even if there have been verdicts to the contrary like [1]. The problem is: there are way too many guns in circulation in the US, there are way too many vaguely written (or titled) laws that seem to allow this kind of use, and it sends shockwaves through the country regularly. Hell, it even has an impact on policing because police legitimately have to fear getting shot over as benign interactions as traffic stops [2][3], with the result of outright homicides by cops in return [4]. I'm European and hell no I won't ever visit the US until y'all have your gun problems resolved (and your border control under control instead of employing rapists and other goons with a license to search your electronic devices, but that's another topic). [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/us/michael-drejka-stand-your-ground.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/us/michael-drejka-stand-y... [2] https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2022-11-28/san-diego-police-investigate-after-woman-shot-multiple-times-in-talmadge https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/stor... [3] https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/ga-officer-shot-in-the-head-during-traffic-stop-recounts-near-death-experience-WKJ8gUafIWhELNk9/ https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/ga-officer-s... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile
thatguy0900 4y ago
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article264129071.html https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article264129... Made me think of this, a story about neighbors killing each other over perceived trash dumping offenses. America is big enough you can't say it won't happen

by b112 4y ago

mschuster91 4y ago

> This is made up gibberish IMO, and it is the real, actual problem. No, you won't get shot. The legal basis for that theory, "stand your ground laws", are suspected to lead to ~700 additional shooting killings each year [1]. In a state with these laws on the book, any neighbor's land has to be viewed as potentially deadly hostile. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/21/stand-your-ground-research-homicides/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/21/stand-your-...

b112 4y ago
Stand your ground laws, do not make it legal for someone to run out of their house, shooting at people, if they see them approaching their front door. They also do not make it legal for you to pursue someone either. They have to do with retreating from an assault. Again, this is just another excuse, and part of the problem. The more Americans view interaction through this lens, the worse they are for it.
- Dah00n 4y ago
  You are both correct. That is the way the law is written but it also does cause more deaths.
- mschuster91 4y ago
  > Again, this is just another excuse, and part of the problem. The more Americans view interaction through this lens, the worse they are for it. Literally people have died thanks to these laws because of trigger-happy arseholes thinking they're backed by these laws, even if there have been verdicts to the contrary like [1]. The problem is: there are way too many guns in circulation in the US, there are way too many vaguely written (or titled) laws that seem to allow this kind of use, and it sends shockwaves through the country regularly. Hell, it even has an impact on policing because police legitimately have to fear getting shot over as benign interactions as traffic stops [2][3], with the result of outright homicides by cops in return [4]. I'm European and hell no I won't ever visit the US until y'all have your gun problems resolved (and your border control under control instead of employing rapists and other goons with a license to search your electronic devices, but that's another topic). [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/us/michael-drejka-stand-your-ground.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/24/us/michael-drejka-stand-y... [2] https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2022-11-28/san-diego-police-investigate-after-woman-shot-multiple-times-in-talmadge https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/stor... [3] https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/ga-officer-shot-in-the-head-during-traffic-stop-recounts-near-death-experience-WKJ8gUafIWhELNk9/ https://www.police1.com/officer-safety/articles/ga-officer-s... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile

thatguy0900 4y ago

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article264129071.html https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article264129... Made me think of this, a story about neighbors killing each other over perceived trash dumping offenses. America is big enough you can't say it won't happen