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Taiwan does this too and as the German poster mentioned, this results in MASSIVE out-of-city illegal dumpsites. It also leads to a cultural quirk where every da
by komali2 4y ago
Taiwan does this too and as the German poster mentioned, this results in MASSIVE out-of-city illegal dumpsites. It also leads to a cultural quirk where every day at some set time your whole neighborhood stands partly on a corner, partly spilling to a road, waiting for the trash truck to come. Then when it arrives everyone lines up and sets their daily trash bag into the truck.
It's an important part of local culture cause all the old people like hanging out and hyucking it up together but I've got a TODO item to map public vehicle / pedestrian collision data against local trash pickup times to see how often scooters or cars are taking out the elderly that are walking into a second lane of traffic because the sidewalk is packed with people holding trash bags and the first lane is taken up by a trash truck. Bonus points if the second lane also had a slow moving trash motorcycle (some kind of separate private trash pickup entity I don't yet understand) that decided to simply park adjacent to the trash truck and directly in traffic.
Anyway plus side yeah in Taipei there isn't a rat problem like new york, so I guess in some ways it kinda works, definitely not ideal imo though. I don't think trash bins would work either here though, the alleys are too small, the road system too... improvised.
- soco 4y agoA massive out-of-city dumpster is only possible if the authorities are looking the other way, and this is valid for Taiwan, Germany or Romania just the same. Yes individuals are dumping the garbage but it's the society as a whole accepting it, maybe with minor moaning.
- komali2 4y agoI think you're minimizing here the realities of policing, policy, law, law enforcement, and societal engagement and enforcement of cultural values. There is no country on earth with no crime. All countries on earth thus have authorities looking the other way on crime. All societies on earth are accepting of crime. See the absurdity? Thus I think your post is over generalizing. EDIT: I'm realizing that you might be a person who would make arguments about "personal responsibility" that consider nothing about environment and instead place wholesale blanket judgements on people for situations they find themselves in. Stop me if I'm extrapolating too far and being unfair, but when seeing any overweight person, would you think to yourself, "that person is accepting of their weight" ?
- hutzlibu 4y agoWhen there is a big illegal dumbster, it would be trivial to stop it from growing. One police patrol car(or a camera) and one serious fine would stop it. And it did indeed stop most of it. It used to be common, but is not anymore here in germany, because people like me really get upset about that shit and so there is that anger energy that makes the institutions act. If no one cares, than the dumbsters would just grow again.
- komali2 4y agoHere's one remote location a 30 minute drive from taipei city center https://goo.gl/maps/VXSbNc8ZmkqWCiH17 https://goo.gl/maps/VXSbNc8ZmkqWCiH17 As you can see, the mountains are snaked with literally hundreds of kilometers of such roads, all within 30 minute driving distance from taipei. You believe this can be policed with one car still? You accuse us of not caring?
- soco 4y agoHow do you explain that in other countries this works? Garbage is dumped by humans, it's not a natural catastrophe. All those policies and cultural values you are mentioning converge to the fact that outside Taipei there are huge dumpsters, while in other countries there are not. Why there are in Taipei, it's not for me to judge, you probably know much better the situation. But the reality is, again, in other countries these dumpsters are not there. You can accept the fact, like the culture you mention seems to do, or try to move something in your (perceived) right direction. Either way, I'm definitely not the cause why there are dumpsters outside Taipei.