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They had a prebootcamp with a free course that taught the basics. Some people cheat through that though and didn't quite process that... you can't really pull t

They had a prebootcamp with a free course that taught the basics. Some people cheat through that though and didn't quite process that... you can't really pull that off through the whole program? I totally saw people who had never coded before succeed, I'm not sure I could pick out in an interview who would do well and who wouldn't. It's a marathon not a sprint. For the selectivity thing... I'm really not sure. The selling ISAs thing was a bit weird when I learned about. I honestly kinda wonder about the actuarial calcs of it all.

austenallred 4y ago
Honestly I was a little surprised at the cheating too. I think I was a little naive in the beginning that if you actually wanted a job you would understand that you would have to be able to write code. But some folks are in a school mentality that if you get a grade/diploma you're good, regardless of whether you understand the things required to go into that. Having tried a number of different ways to do admissions, I can assure you doing interviews is possibly the worst. As far as ISAs go, it all comes out in the wash. If you create a pool of ISAs and students don't get hired you may have more ISAs but the average ISA is worth less, so the only thing that matters is whether each individual student gets hired. There's no financial wizardry that can let you sell $1 for $2 in the long-run.
- MivLives 4y ago
  Yeah that's fair enough. I don't think the people cheating ever got far enough to actually effect job stats. It was pretty easy to sus out who actually knew enough to keep going. I don't fault Lambda for that, it's just the reality of any educational goal line. For the interview thing, that's just what you were doing at the time. At the rate you were iterating, I'm sure that there's a better process now.
  - austenallred 4y ago
    > I don't think the people cheating ever got far enough to actually effect job stats. Yeah, some do a remarkably good job of cheating and would get into hiring stats for sure, but I think we've almost entirely cut that out now.
raverbashing 4y ago
Funny how some people think that "programming though Stack Overflow" will keep working after you progress to a certain level School mentality (and I might add: grifter mentality as well)
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  I’m Senior Staff and still have to use Stack Overflow regularly!
  - ht_th 4y ago
    Sure, not a problem. Most programmers do, probably. However, I've seen students use Stack Overflow and other resources as a source of "program stamps": - They enter their problem in an Internet search engine. - Click on the first result with code in it. - "Stamp it" on their own code: I.e., copy/paste it. - Using editor/compiler, find any issues by trial and error and fix them so the editor/compiler doesn't complain anymore. They might try a simple example or two to see if it works. And that's it. There's not much reflection on their final solution, or on the bits they copy/paste. They don't seem to understand their solution, nor care about that or their problem solving process. They put in effort, they expect a passing grade.
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austenallred 4y ago

Honestly I was a little surprised at the cheating too. I think I was a little naive in the beginning that if you actually wanted a job you would understand that you would have to be able to write code. But some folks are in a school mentality that if you get a grade/diploma you're good, regardless of whether you understand the things required to go into that. Having tried a number of different ways to do admissions, I can assure you doing interviews is possibly the worst. As far as ISAs go, it all comes out in the wash. If you create a pool of ISAs and students don't get hired you may have more ISAs but the average ISA is worth less, so the only thing that matters is whether each individual student gets hired. There's no financial wizardry that can let you sell $1 for $2 in the long-run.

MivLives 4y ago
Yeah that's fair enough. I don't think the people cheating ever got far enough to actually effect job stats. It was pretty easy to sus out who actually knew enough to keep going. I don't fault Lambda for that, it's just the reality of any educational goal line. For the interview thing, that's just what you were doing at the time. At the rate you were iterating, I'm sure that there's a better process now.
- austenallred 4y ago
  > I don't think the people cheating ever got far enough to actually effect job stats. Yeah, some do a remarkably good job of cheating and would get into hiring stats for sure, but I think we've almost entirely cut that out now.

raverbashing 4y ago

Funny how some people think that "programming though Stack Overflow" will keep working after you progress to a certain level School mentality (and I might add: grifter mentality as well)

chrisseaton 4y ago
I’m Senior Staff and still have to use Stack Overflow regularly!
- ht_th 4y ago
  Sure, not a problem. Most programmers do, probably. However, I've seen students use Stack Overflow and other resources as a source of "program stamps": - They enter their problem in an Internet search engine. - Click on the first result with code in it. - "Stamp it" on their own code: I.e., copy/paste it. - Using editor/compiler, find any issues by trial and error and fix them so the editor/compiler doesn't complain anymore. They might try a simple example or two to see if it works. And that's it. There's not much reflection on their final solution, or on the bits they copy/paste. They don't seem to understand their solution, nor care about that or their problem solving process. They put in effort, they expect a passing grade.

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