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> the large increase of people identifying as trans(trans women in particular) Well, that's not quite accurate. (a) there isn't a large increase of trans peopl

> the large increase of people identifying as trans(trans women in particular) Well, that's not quite accurate. (a) there isn't a large increase of trans people, historically speaking, just folks being more open and honest about their status recently, since it's become marginally less punished in a few specific places, than it has been prior, and (b) in recent years, trans men or transmasc folks are the largest group of those new influx, not trans women. > There are massive amounts of compounds in our environment that are endocrine disrupters or mimic sex hormones like estrogen If people were getting estrogen in the environment that they didn't want in any amount meaningful enough to effect them, you'd wouldn't expect to see more trans women (trans women, generally speaking, are usually deficient in estrogen), you'd expect to see more dysphoric men. You'd expect to see a sharp increase in cis men presenting with ED and gynecomastia and such. (Which, to be fair, is a thing we're seeing. But so far, appears to be mainly linked to increasing obesity rates) > Maybe they would even benefit more from hormone treatments in the opposite direction than the "gender affirming" treatments. This is barbaric if you think about it for more than 5 seconds. So barbaric in fact, that it's been outlawed in many nations -- see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy for more info

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
Additionally, as trans people are more accepted the rate of the increasing population of trans people is slowing. This suggests that it’s stabilizing and that the population would normally always have a % of trans people if it weren’t for oppression (like left handed ness rapidly increased in the generation we stopped punishing people with left handedness and then it leveled off)
brailsafe 4y ago
> You'd expect to see a sharp increase in cis men presenting with ED and gynecomastia and such. It does feel like I've seen more men with more than just regular moobs, who aren't necessarily otherwise severely obese. The trans women I know have less shapely breasts even though they're deliberately taking hormones, and it's a bit bizarre. Not a huge amount, but enough to notice. I'd be willing to believe also that there's a contingent of those that are trans men too, but I just mean it's actually more bizarre to see someone who is otherwise just a cis man with like C or D cups
4gotunameagain 4y ago
Currently it is impossible to know whether the increasing numbers of people identifying as trans is due to less fear of punishment as you say, or due to hormonal disruption. The only way I've thought of is long term studies of endocrine disruption quantification in pregnant mothers and their children, correlated with transexualism. > This is barbaric if you think about it for more than 5 seconds. It is barbaric to not even consider a different point of view because it opposes your religion (yes, I think it is a religion at this point) Sorry if I appear harsh, but I believe that in a couple of decades we will look back at what the pharma industry is doing to "trans" people as we look back on lobotomy now.
- ironmagma 4y ago
  The expediency with which children are put on this surgery track is truly disgusting. Let them grow up and decide with a brain that can consent.
  - minig33 4y ago
    Children are not getting surgery in any significant numbers. This is a made up right wing talking point
    - ironmagma 4y ago
      You could say the same about child abuse. That doesn’t make it not disgusting or unimportant. If you have to hide the things you are doing to children from the parents, you’re doing a bad thing.
      - virgildotcodes 4y ago
        Not necessarily true. A bunch of parents would prohibit their children from using contraceptives if they had total control.
        ironmagma 4y ago

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago

Additionally, as trans people are more accepted the rate of the increasing population of trans people is slowing. This suggests that it’s stabilizing and that the population would normally always have a % of trans people if it weren’t for oppression (like left handed ness rapidly increased in the generation we stopped punishing people with left handedness and then it leveled off)

brailsafe 4y ago

> You'd expect to see a sharp increase in cis men presenting with ED and gynecomastia and such. It does feel like I've seen more men with more than just regular moobs, who aren't necessarily otherwise severely obese. The trans women I know have less shapely breasts even though they're deliberately taking hormones, and it's a bit bizarre. Not a huge amount, but enough to notice. I'd be willing to believe also that there's a contingent of those that are trans men too, but I just mean it's actually more bizarre to see someone who is otherwise just a cis man with like C or D cups

4gotunameagain 4y ago

Currently it is impossible to know whether the increasing numbers of people identifying as trans is due to less fear of punishment as you say, or due to hormonal disruption. The only way I've thought of is long term studies of endocrine disruption quantification in pregnant mothers and their children, correlated with transexualism. > This is barbaric if you think about it for more than 5 seconds. It is barbaric to not even consider a different point of view because it opposes your religion (yes, I think it is a religion at this point) Sorry if I appear harsh, but I believe that in a couple of decades we will look back at what the pharma industry is doing to "trans" people as we look back on lobotomy now.

ironmagma 4y ago
The expediency with which children are put on this surgery track is truly disgusting. Let them grow up and decide with a brain that can consent.
- minig33 4y ago
  Children are not getting surgery in any significant numbers. This is a made up right wing talking point
  - ironmagma 4y ago
    You could say the same about child abuse. That doesn’t make it not disgusting or unimportant. If you have to hide the things you are doing to children from the parents, you’re doing a bad thing.
    - virgildotcodes 4y ago
      Not necessarily true. A bunch of parents would prohibit their children from using contraceptives if they had total control.
      - ironmagma 4y ago