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> The fact that the whole tech world is dependent on chips produced in Hsinchu is a huge advantage for the safety of Taiwan. That's a very cynical view. What

> The fact that the whole tech world is dependent on chips produced in Hsinchu is a huge advantage for the safety of Taiwan. That's a very cynical view. What exactly does Ukraine produce that's so important for the West?

_kbh_ 4y ago
https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-ukraine-halts-half-worlds-neon-output-chips-clouding-outlook-2022-03-11/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-ukraine-halts-h... > WASHINGTON, March 11 (Reuters) - Ukraine's two leading suppliers of neon, which produce about half the world's supply of the key ingredient for making chips, have halted their operations as Moscow has sharpened its attack on the country, threatening to raise prices and aggravate the semiconductor shortage.
- credit_guy 4y ago
  “Neon Gas Market size is forecast to reach $61.46 million by 2025” [1]. The US has given Ukraine more than 50 billion in military aid. That’s more than double the annual neon gas market … every single day. [1] https://www.industryarc.com/Research/Neon-Gas-Market-Research-501412 https://www.industryarc.com/Research/Neon-Gas-Market-Researc...
philwelch 4y ago
Every Russian soldier, vehicle, or round of ammunition expended in Ukraine for increasingly diminishing returns is a Russian soldier, vehicle, or round of ammunition that will never harm a NATO member.
- rsj_hn 4y ago
  > Every Russian soldier, vehicle, or round of ammunition expended in Ukraine for increasingly diminishing returns is a Russian soldier, vehicle, or round of ammunition that will never harm a NATO member. Sure, and it's also 10 dead Ukrainian soldiers that will never return to their families, and a few thousand people living an extra day in war, and a few hundred more Ukrainian refugees that must be subsidized in Europe, a few dead Ukrainian civilians that die of Russian shelling, and a few dead Ukrainian civilians in Donbas that die of Ukrainian shelling, and the further demilitarization of both NATO and the US as they run out of munitions and equipment to send (and lack the industrial base to make up for the shortfall). It is also a few more percent lopped off of European GDP as the continent plunges into a steep recession due to the energy crisis. It is only by weighing of the lives of the people in the conflict at zero that the U.S. justifies prolonging this proxy war and continuing to arm and subsidize Ukraine. It is truly willing to fight Russia until the last Ukrainian, and until Europe is completely de-industrialized.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > It is only by weighing of the lives of the people in the conflict at zero that the U.S. justifies prolonging this proxy war and continuing to arm and subsidize Ukraine. Ukraine is literally fighting for their sovereignty, America is helping them push the Russians, who are raping and torturing citizens out of the occupied territories. Every weapon to Ukraine is time less under Russian occupation, which is a good thing.
    - rsj_hn 4y ago
      You seriously believe that the US or EU care about the sovereignty of other nations? America has invaded or attacked over 120 nations since 1991. We currently have troops in Syria extracting oil and are still occupying Iraq. We just helped organize another invasion of Haiti, after murdering their President and replacing them with a US puppet. We just tried to overthrew the government of Ethopia by backing the Tigray rebels. We overthrew the government of Ukraine twice, in 2004 and 2013. We overthrew the government of Iraq and are financing violent rebels to overthrow the government of Myanmar. Only strong, large nations that can stand up to the US and other rival great powers have any hope of achieving sovereignty. Ukraine has never had it. So please stop with this new found interest in the "sovereignty" of US client states. We have tape recordings of US state department officials deciding who will be in the Ukrainian cabinet and who wont, of what their policies can and can't be. One phone call from Washington and there is a third coup in Ukraine with Zelensky out the door and another US puppet installed. So Ukraine has zero sovereignty, and that's true regardless of what happens in this war. The only question is whether it will continue to be ruled from Washington or whether it will be ruled from Moscow. That is why this is a US-Russia proxy war, with Ukraine stuck in the middle.
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        > We have tape recordings of US state department officials deciding who will be in the Ukrainian cabinet and who wont. of what their policies can and can't be. If you could provide a source for this, that’d great. > One phone call from Washington and there is a third coup in Ukraine with Zelensky out the door and another US puppet installed. Zelensky was elected in an election, I know you likely don’t know this so I just thought you should know. > So Ukraine has zero sovereignty, and that's true regardless of what happens in this war. It’s actually not true and patently false. > The only question is whether it will continue to be ruled from Washington or whether it will be ruled from Moscow. Even if these were the options (and they aren’t cause Americas not looking to rule Ukraine). The choice is clear, being ruled by Moscow which leads to the rape and torture of your civilians(including children), or being ruled by America which leads to not that. > That is why this is a US-Russia proxy war, with Ukraine stuck in the middle. Russia keeps changing the reasons they invaded the current reasons have nothing to with America but I’m sure they will change next week.

_kbh_ 4y ago

https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-ukraine-halts-half-worlds-neon-output-chips-clouding-outlook-2022-03-11/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-ukraine-halts-h... > WASHINGTON, March 11 (Reuters) - Ukraine's two leading suppliers of neon, which produce about half the world's supply of the key ingredient for making chips, have halted their operations as Moscow has sharpened its attack on the country, threatening to raise prices and aggravate the semiconductor shortage.

credit_guy 4y ago
“Neon Gas Market size is forecast to reach $61.46 million by 2025” [1]. The US has given Ukraine more than 50 billion in military aid. That’s more than double the annual neon gas market … every single day. [1] https://www.industryarc.com/Research/Neon-Gas-Market-Research-501412 https://www.industryarc.com/Research/Neon-Gas-Market-Researc...

philwelch 4y ago

Every Russian soldier, vehicle, or round of ammunition expended in Ukraine for increasingly diminishing returns is a Russian soldier, vehicle, or round of ammunition that will never harm a NATO member.

rsj_hn 4y ago
> Every Russian soldier, vehicle, or round of ammunition expended in Ukraine for increasingly diminishing returns is a Russian soldier, vehicle, or round of ammunition that will never harm a NATO member. Sure, and it's also 10 dead Ukrainian soldiers that will never return to their families, and a few thousand people living an extra day in war, and a few hundred more Ukrainian refugees that must be subsidized in Europe, a few dead Ukrainian civilians that die of Russian shelling, and a few dead Ukrainian civilians in Donbas that die of Ukrainian shelling, and the further demilitarization of both NATO and the US as they run out of munitions and equipment to send (and lack the industrial base to make up for the shortfall). It is also a few more percent lopped off of European GDP as the continent plunges into a steep recession due to the energy crisis. It is only by weighing of the lives of the people in the conflict at zero that the U.S. justifies prolonging this proxy war and continuing to arm and subsidize Ukraine. It is truly willing to fight Russia until the last Ukrainian, and until Europe is completely de-industrialized.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > It is only by weighing of the lives of the people in the conflict at zero that the U.S. justifies prolonging this proxy war and continuing to arm and subsidize Ukraine. Ukraine is literally fighting for their sovereignty, America is helping them push the Russians, who are raping and torturing citizens out of the occupied territories. Every weapon to Ukraine is time less under Russian occupation, which is a good thing.
  - rsj_hn 4y ago
    You seriously believe that the US or EU care about the sovereignty of other nations? America has invaded or attacked over 120 nations since 1991. We currently have troops in Syria extracting oil and are still occupying Iraq. We just helped organize another invasion of Haiti, after murdering their President and replacing them with a US puppet. We just tried to overthrew the government of Ethopia by backing the Tigray rebels. We overthrew the government of Ukraine twice, in 2004 and 2013. We overthrew the government of Iraq and are financing violent rebels to overthrow the government of Myanmar. Only strong, large nations that can stand up to the US and other rival great powers have any hope of achieving sovereignty. Ukraine has never had it. So please stop with this new found interest in the "sovereignty" of US client states. We have tape recordings of US state department officials deciding who will be in the Ukrainian cabinet and who wont, of what their policies can and can't be. One phone call from Washington and there is a third coup in Ukraine with Zelensky out the door and another US puppet installed. So Ukraine has zero sovereignty, and that's true regardless of what happens in this war. The only question is whether it will continue to be ruled from Washington or whether it will be ruled from Moscow. That is why this is a US-Russia proxy war, with Ukraine stuck in the middle.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > We have tape recordings of US state department officials deciding who will be in the Ukrainian cabinet and who wont. of what their policies can and can't be. If you could provide a source for this, that’d great. > One phone call from Washington and there is a third coup in Ukraine with Zelensky out the door and another US puppet installed. Zelensky was elected in an election, I know you likely don’t know this so I just thought you should know. > So Ukraine has zero sovereignty, and that's true regardless of what happens in this war. It’s actually not true and patently false. > The only question is whether it will continue to be ruled from Washington or whether it will be ruled from Moscow. Even if these were the options (and they aren’t cause Americas not looking to rule Ukraine). The choice is clear, being ruled by Moscow which leads to the rape and torture of your civilians(including children), or being ruled by America which leads to not that. > That is why this is a US-Russia proxy war, with Ukraine stuck in the middle. Russia keeps changing the reasons they invaded the current reasons have nothing to with America but I’m sure they will change next week.