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Would you be ok to paying 30% more rent to use a bank app from an iphone to pay the rent?

by bombolo 4y ago

themitigating 4y ago
How is this an argument for whether it's abhorrent. I would love to pay zero for all products and services.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  No. That's why I don't use iPhone. But it's just capitalism. I'm not going to take the phone out of the hands of those for whom the answer is "Yes."
  - bombolo 4y ago
    But most people don't even know. Didn't apple ban that game company because of showing an itemised bill to customers, showing how much apple was getting at every purchase?
    - martimarkov 4y ago
      Which company? I'm very curious actually? But devil's advocate - It's agains apple's Dev ToS and I don't get an itemised bill showing me a breakdown of how much Visa or MS charge me when making other payments. I want to know the name of the company to see if they do the same when I make a purchase with a debit card.
  - cute_boi 4y ago
    The problem is either you go with iPhone or android. And, android is rife with so much ads, we can't even use phone properly. We need something to break this duopoly mobile market otherwise it is always gonna be problematic.
    - notpushkin 4y ago
      I've seen exactly zero apps on Android in the last 5 years. I understand there's a lot of apps infested with ads out there, but why would you install those? Agreed on breaking duopoly though. I'm pretty hopeful about Linux on mobile these days, there's some pretty big developments lately.
      - notpushkin 4y ago
        > exactly zero ads Fixed :')
bdhess 4y ago
This analogy doesn’t make sense to me. This isn’t a bank transfer, it’s a purchase of a digital artifact. Is Apple wrong to ask for 30% of IAPs in Candy Crush? Because this seems pretty much the same to me.
- codedokode 4y ago
  30% seems a lot though. Credit card processors take somewhere around 2-3%.
  - martimarkov 4y ago
    Then don't use Apple - who is forcing you to build for their OSes? Your customers are there? Well maybe they have made a choice to be there for some reason. Respect that or don't go after those customers. I have made a choice to use apple because I know all purchases for digital products go through iAP so my card details are never passed to the developer in any way. It makes me sleep better at night. I don't want other options. I don't want to be offered the choice with 28-27% discount because it will make me share my creds (we know most ppl will choose the cheeper option and I admit I will do so as well from time to time). I don't need the additional cognitive overhead because some developers are unhappy they have signed up to terms they don't like. Honestly everyone that complains about the 30% so far hasn't given me a good reason other than greed. It's not a better UX, it's not a more secure option, it's not in my best interest (except the argument it will be cheaper but we all know that if possible most if not all companies will just pocket the 28-27%), it's not respectful of my choice of OS (again my reason is that I WANT the iAP as the only option).
- Aaron2222 4y ago
  So what makes digital artifacts (especially those that don't have anything to do with Apple's platforms) different from physical products. Would Apple be wrong to ask for 30% of purchased made through the eBay or Amazon apps?
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    It seems like it's their product and their right to draw the line wherever they see fit. They risked investing a lot of time and money into a platform that apparently now counts as best user experience. There is no ethical challenge, software developer gets access to wealthy customers thanks to Apple's decades of work.

Would you be ok to paying 30% more rent to use a bank app from an iphone to pay the rent?

themitigating 4y ago

How is this an argument for whether it's abhorrent. I would love to pay zero for all products and services.

shadowgovt 4y ago
No. That's why I don't use iPhone. But it's just capitalism. I'm not going to take the phone out of the hands of those for whom the answer is "Yes."
- bombolo 4y ago
  But most people don't even know. Didn't apple ban that game company because of showing an itemised bill to customers, showing how much apple was getting at every purchase?
  - martimarkov 4y ago
    Which company? I'm very curious actually? But devil's advocate - It's agains apple's Dev ToS and I don't get an itemised bill showing me a breakdown of how much Visa or MS charge me when making other payments. I want to know the name of the company to see if they do the same when I make a purchase with a debit card.
- cute_boi 4y ago
  The problem is either you go with iPhone or android. And, android is rife with so much ads, we can't even use phone properly. We need something to break this duopoly mobile market otherwise it is always gonna be problematic.
  - notpushkin 4y ago
    I've seen exactly zero apps on Android in the last 5 years. I understand there's a lot of apps infested with ads out there, but why would you install those? Agreed on breaking duopoly though. I'm pretty hopeful about Linux on mobile these days, there's some pretty big developments lately.
    - notpushkin 4y ago
      > exactly zero ads Fixed :')

bdhess 4y ago

This analogy doesn’t make sense to me. This isn’t a bank transfer, it’s a purchase of a digital artifact. Is Apple wrong to ask for 30% of IAPs in Candy Crush? Because this seems pretty much the same to me.

codedokode 4y ago
30% seems a lot though. Credit card processors take somewhere around 2-3%.
- martimarkov 4y ago
  Then don't use Apple - who is forcing you to build for their OSes? Your customers are there? Well maybe they have made a choice to be there for some reason. Respect that or don't go after those customers. I have made a choice to use apple because I know all purchases for digital products go through iAP so my card details are never passed to the developer in any way. It makes me sleep better at night. I don't want other options. I don't want to be offered the choice with 28-27% discount because it will make me share my creds (we know most ppl will choose the cheeper option and I admit I will do so as well from time to time). I don't need the additional cognitive overhead because some developers are unhappy they have signed up to terms they don't like. Honestly everyone that complains about the 30% so far hasn't given me a good reason other than greed. It's not a better UX, it's not a more secure option, it's not in my best interest (except the argument it will be cheaper but we all know that if possible most if not all companies will just pocket the 28-27%), it's not respectful of my choice of OS (again my reason is that I WANT the iAP as the only option).
Aaron2222 4y ago
So what makes digital artifacts (especially those that don't have anything to do with Apple's platforms) different from physical products. Would Apple be wrong to ask for 30% of purchased made through the eBay or Amazon apps?
- throwaway290 4y ago
  It seems like it's their product and their right to draw the line wherever they see fit. They risked investing a lot of time and money into a platform that apparently now counts as best user experience. There is no ethical challenge, software developer gets access to wealthy customers thanks to Apple's decades of work.