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Hand me an iPhone, and I have zero clue what to do beyond the superficial launcher similarities; I'd have to Google anything that's not immediately obvious. And

Hand me an iPhone, and I have zero clue what to do beyond the superficial launcher similarities; I'd have to Google anything that's not immediately obvious. Android is simple to use because it already uses the semi-universal UI language that all other OSes (Windows, Linux's gaggle of DEs, ChromeOS, etc) and apps use. The only people I know that own iPhones IRL are older people who aren't tech savvy (and all of them admit they don't know how to use their phone, and only make phone calls, text messages, and Facebook shit with it); I don't know a single Gen X, Millennial, or Gen Z (in or outside of the tech industry, in or outside of the US) with one. If Android is "not suitable for real world usage", then no phone is.

coffeebeqn 4y ago
They’re both targeted for dumb consumers. There’s no reason to pretend that either OS is somehow incomprehensibly difficult for the end user
d3nj4l 4y ago
> I don't know a single Gen X, Millennial, or Gen Z (in or outside of the tech industry, in or outside of the US) with one. *what?*
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  Majority of people in US who use a phone use an iPhone, that’s just a fact. Their comment isn’t credible.
  - fishcrackers 4y ago
    it's a pretty slim majority 55%
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      If like 50% of people use iPhones, which they do, how can it be possible to not know anyone young who uses one? Just doesn’t pass a common sense test to be true. How does that change if the majority is small or large? Like 1% or 10% what difference do you think that makes?
  - d3nj4l 4y ago
    It can be vacuously true if GGP doesn't know any millenials!
chrisseaton 4y ago
> The only people I know that own iPhones IRL are older people who aren't tech savvy Where do you live? Overwhelming majority of tech people I know in the US and UK use MacBooks and iPhones. That’s academia, systems programming, web services. Very very rarely see anyone using anything but macOS.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Probably a developing country. In the US iPhones have almost 100% market share among young people. I'm in Australia and almost everywhere I have worked has been a Mac place. Schools also all use Macbooks unless they can't afford them.
- DiabloD3 4y ago
  US. Most of the tech people I know have long since dropped Apple because of death by a thousand cuts. If you would have asked me even 5 years ago, I would have said half of them still belong to the cult of Mac, but not anymore; the only ones remaining are non-tech older folk. A lot of HN's userbase lives in the silicon valley and the SF area, so maybe this is just a rather narrow focused regional thing? I only ever hear of cult members living in either the valley or SF, or alternatively, in Seattle, hardly anywhere else.
  - bfgoodrich 4y ago
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    The proportion nationally is literally over 50%. They can't all be older people - that just doesn't factually add up, does it? You must be living in a very strange bubble, completely unrepresentative of the rest of the country. The reality is most people with a phone use an iPhone. Any tech or academic conference I go to, most people are using MacBooks.
    - DiabloD3 4y ago
      The people I know who used to only buy Macbooks have switched to Surfaces or those Dells and HPs that have milled aluminum bodies like Macs; and now, recently, I know several that recently bought Frameworks (and love them). Are you sure you aren't just confusing all the milled aluminum laptops with Macs, and all the black glass slabs with iPhones? I've even had someone confuse my OnePlus as an iPhone (until I showed them that I didn't have that giant ugly notch that iPhones have; apparently running Android wasn't a big enough hint to them).

coffeebeqn 4y ago

They’re both targeted for dumb consumers. There’s no reason to pretend that either OS is somehow incomprehensibly difficult for the end user

d3nj4l 4y ago

> I don't know a single Gen X, Millennial, or Gen Z (in or outside of the tech industry, in or outside of the US) with one. *what?*

chrisseaton 4y ago
Majority of people in US who use a phone use an iPhone, that’s just a fact. Their comment isn’t credible.
- fishcrackers 4y ago
  it's a pretty slim majority 55%
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    If like 50% of people use iPhones, which they do, how can it be possible to not know anyone young who uses one? Just doesn’t pass a common sense test to be true. How does that change if the majority is small or large? Like 1% or 10% what difference do you think that makes?
- d3nj4l 4y ago
  It can be vacuously true if GGP doesn't know any millenials!

chrisseaton 4y ago

> The only people I know that own iPhones IRL are older people who aren't tech savvy Where do you live? Overwhelming majority of tech people I know in the US and UK use MacBooks and iPhones. That’s academia, systems programming, web services. Very very rarely see anyone using anything but macOS.

Gigachad 4y ago
Probably a developing country. In the US iPhones have almost 100% market share among young people. I'm in Australia and almost everywhere I have worked has been a Mac place. Schools also all use Macbooks unless they can't afford them.
DiabloD3 4y ago
US. Most of the tech people I know have long since dropped Apple because of death by a thousand cuts. If you would have asked me even 5 years ago, I would have said half of them still belong to the cult of Mac, but not anymore; the only ones remaining are non-tech older folk. A lot of HN's userbase lives in the silicon valley and the SF area, so maybe this is just a rather narrow focused regional thing? I only ever hear of cult members living in either the valley or SF, or alternatively, in Seattle, hardly anywhere else.
- bfgoodrich 4y ago
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  The proportion nationally is literally over 50%. They can't all be older people - that just doesn't factually add up, does it? You must be living in a very strange bubble, completely unrepresentative of the rest of the country. The reality is most people with a phone use an iPhone. Any tech or academic conference I go to, most people are using MacBooks.
  - DiabloD3 4y ago
    The people I know who used to only buy Macbooks have switched to Surfaces or those Dells and HPs that have milled aluminum bodies like Macs; and now, recently, I know several that recently bought Frameworks (and love them). Are you sure you aren't just confusing all the milled aluminum laptops with Macs, and all the black glass slabs with iPhones? I've even had someone confuse my OnePlus as an iPhone (until I showed them that I didn't have that giant ugly notch that iPhones have; apparently running Android wasn't a big enough hint to them).