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> However this is not Apple products. The App Store is a product and it’s a bad product for developers and users when Apple is using their market position to t

> However this is not Apple products. The App Store is a product and it’s a bad product for developers and users when Apple is using their market position to take 30% of revenue.

1vuio0pswjnm7 4y ago
Where can I purchase an App Store. Not sold separately. Why would I want one, if I am not in control of it. I just want to run a program on a computer I bought. Maybe one can argue a consumer will buy a computer in order to get the "App Store product", although it seems to me more like a product feature than a product itself. Personally, I would intentionally choose a computer without an App Store, where I can install whatever I want, and without reporting all the software I use to Apple. After all, I know what software I want to install. As a NetBSD user I prefer to compile programs myself. The only "curation" I want is small source code size so I can read through the program before deciding whether to compile and test. Thus I have to do the "curation" myself. It cannot be delegated or outsourced. I do not need Apple to recommend software to me. Especially software they did not write. But who cares about me, if I am in a minority, because to the "tech" company proponents, only the majority matters. To the "tech" worker what is not popular is irrelevant. No surprise given the "tech" racket depends on selling adevertising services. "Discovery" of unpopular software in an App Store is exceedingly difficult. The search capabilities are crude. The design appears to be display "Top 10" type lists and funnel computer owners toward popular programs, creating a lottery for whomever makes the "Top 10" and larger audiences for advertising.
- jiveturkey 4y ago
  So, you think you don't need curation but actually you do. There is some malware filtering that goes on, and some minimum (and I do mean minimum) quality control. There are content restrictions and such, that make the platform widely appealing. You might not want them, but the reason more and more and more apps are written for the platform is because of market power that comes from being content friendly. So the app you think doesn't need gatekeeping might not have ever even been written had it not been for this gatekeeping. Kind of like saying, what has a cop ever done for me? That said, yes, everything about it could be better. I very much detest app discovery in the app store, and it's almost as difficult via web or other means. At least in amazon you can filter out under 4-star products. And if you apply at least one category filter then you can also filter out marketplace sellers. The app store should have at a minimum some kind of stars filter.
  - realusername 4y ago
    There's no transparency or real studies if there's some effective malware filtering by forcing the app store model so at this point it's difficult to take it seriously. > You might not want them, but the reason more and more and more apps are written for the platform is because of market power that comes from being content friendly [Citations needed] again basically, there's only two platforms on mobile, it's not like developers can get the luxury to chose a platform.
    - judge2020 4y ago
      > There's no transparency or real studies if there's some effective malware filtering by forcing the app store model so at this point it's difficult to take it seriously. Maybe look at the Android situation: Malware is at least two orders of magnitude more prevalent, and it's mostly because you can type "free fortnite vbucks android" into the search bar, get on a YT video that links to a shady site, that shady site tells the user how to enable sideloading and install spyware apps masquerading as coin generators.
      - realusername 4y ago
        You don't need to go that far to get spyware, they are already available on the play store if you look enough

> However this is not Apple products. The App Store is a product and it’s a bad product for developers and users when Apple is using their market position to take 30% of revenue.

1vuio0pswjnm7 4y ago

Where can I purchase an App Store. Not sold separately. Why would I want one, if I am not in control of it. I just want to run a program on a computer I bought. Maybe one can argue a consumer will buy a computer in order to get the "App Store product", although it seems to me more like a product feature than a product itself. Personally, I would intentionally choose a computer without an App Store, where I can install whatever I want, and without reporting all the software I use to Apple. After all, I know what software I want to install. As a NetBSD user I prefer to compile programs myself. The only "curation" I want is small source code size so I can read through the program before deciding whether to compile and test. Thus I have to do the "curation" myself. It cannot be delegated or outsourced. I do not need Apple to recommend software to me. Especially software they did not write. But who cares about me, if I am in a minority, because to the "tech" company proponents, only the majority matters. To the "tech" worker what is not popular is irrelevant. No surprise given the "tech" racket depends on selling adevertising services. "Discovery" of unpopular software in an App Store is exceedingly difficult. The search capabilities are crude. The design appears to be display "Top 10" type lists and funnel computer owners toward popular programs, creating a lottery for whomever makes the "Top 10" and larger audiences for advertising.

jiveturkey 4y ago
So, you think you don't need curation but actually you do. There is some malware filtering that goes on, and some minimum (and I do mean minimum) quality control. There are content restrictions and such, that make the platform widely appealing. You might not want them, but the reason more and more and more apps are written for the platform is because of market power that comes from being content friendly. So the app you think doesn't need gatekeeping might not have ever even been written had it not been for this gatekeeping. Kind of like saying, what has a cop ever done for me? That said, yes, everything about it could be better. I very much detest app discovery in the app store, and it's almost as difficult via web or other means. At least in amazon you can filter out under 4-star products. And if you apply at least one category filter then you can also filter out marketplace sellers. The app store should have at a minimum some kind of stars filter.
- realusername 4y ago
  There's no transparency or real studies if there's some effective malware filtering by forcing the app store model so at this point it's difficult to take it seriously. > You might not want them, but the reason more and more and more apps are written for the platform is because of market power that comes from being content friendly [Citations needed] again basically, there's only two platforms on mobile, it's not like developers can get the luxury to chose a platform.
  - judge2020 4y ago
    > There's no transparency or real studies if there's some effective malware filtering by forcing the app store model so at this point it's difficult to take it seriously. Maybe look at the Android situation: Malware is at least two orders of magnitude more prevalent, and it's mostly because you can type "free fortnite vbucks android" into the search bar, get on a YT video that links to a shady site, that shady site tells the user how to enable sideloading and install spyware apps masquerading as coin generators.
    - realusername 4y ago
      You don't need to go that far to get spyware, they are already available on the play store if you look enough