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Wait what are you on about? Are you serious that you just stick bin bags on the street full? Where are the bins? What? I'm not from NYC or even the US, why wou

Wait what are you on about? Are you serious that you just stick bin bags on the street full? Where are the bins? What? I'm not from NYC or even the US, why wouldn't you just use bins that the bags go in? I don't understand, please help me understand this. I'm thoroughly confused.

bombcar 4y ago
Trash in NY is literally piled up for collection. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=new+york+trash https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=new+york+trash Most cities in the USA have either individual trash cans (suburbs/low density, once a week): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UluH0QmnwfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UluH0QmnwfM (ONE HOUR???) or dumpsters/dedicated crushers (high density, can be once a day): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDTrUs6TeNc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDTrUs6TeNc
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NovemberWhiskey 4y ago
You live in an apartment building that's 47 stories tall and has 350 units. Do you expect all of the residents individually to take bins out to the front of the building?
- notacop31337 4y ago
  I understand what you're saying but NYC isn't exactly the only city in the world with large apartment buildings.
- jacobsenscott 4y ago
  You would expect the apt building provides dumpsters
- bmicraft 4y ago
  Usually such buildings would have a garbage room with big bins that get emptied regularly - at least in sane cities.
- asdff 4y ago
  I've lived in a big apartment complex before. The invention that solves this problem is called a chute and a dumpster.
  - ch4s3 4y ago
    Buildings here have chutes and compactors. There aren't any alleys in Manhattan and the sidewalks are mostly quite narrow. The solution would be to eliminate some parking to hold bins that can be emptied by trucks but it hasn't been politically feasible.
    - asdff 4y ago
      If you have chutes and trash rooms already, then there's no point to bringing the stuff out to the street for holding. In my building the trash would be taken from the trash room directly to the truck. The chute would just drop into a dumpster that workers would wheel out and the truck would flip it into the bed. Seems like it takes less labor than having workers bring bags to the road and then have the trash workers spend time putting the bags in the truck by hand versus with a hydraulic arm.
      - kneebonian 4y ago
        > Seems like it takes less labor than having workers bring bags to the road and then have the trash workers spend time putting the bags in the truck by hand versus with a hydraulic arm. You're getting to the heart of the problem. That would mean fewer workers and the sanitation union has a long and ironically sordid past of ensuring that less workers are never needed.
      - ch4s3 4y ago
        Well there are no alleys remember, so nowhere to pull up a truck other that on the street in front of the building. It’s also worth noting that the sanitation workers union fiercely opposes any mechanization in trash collection, the workers toss bags by hand. It’s absolutely ridiculous to see in person.
mnutt 4y ago
The sidewalks aren’t wide enough for the kinds of bins needed for the amount of trash generated (NYC is dense) and nobody wants to give up free parking spaces to put the bins in the street as of yet.
- bmicraft 4y ago
  Many cities have a regular bin-sized contraption where you throw you stuff in and it gets compacted into a big underground container that is part of the sidewalk. They then either get lifted and emptied of sucked empty by a garbage truck. The sidewalks are plenty wide for that, nyc doesn't even come close to how narrow some european cities without such problems are.
  - mnutt 4y ago
    Are you referring to some sort of underground hatch that doesn’t take up any space on the sidewalk at all? That’d be very cool, just probably difficult to retrofit the whole city with.
    - nibbleshifter 4y ago
      The ones I've seen in Barcelona take up a fairly small amount of space. They do occupy some, but not much. Seems to work really well tbh.
    - em500 4y ago
      They do take up some space on the sidewalk, but less than a non-underground version. Here's what they look like: https://www.core77.com/posts/102208/Amsterdams-Smart-System-of-Underground-Garbage-Bins https://www.core77.com/posts/102208/Amsterdams-Smart-System-...
  - TheCapeGreek 4y ago
    I've heard about this in the Netherlands I think, but don' think it's very common.
- asdff 4y ago

bombcar 4y ago

Trash in NY is literally piled up for collection. https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=new+york+trash https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=new+york+trash Most cities in the USA have either individual trash cans (suburbs/low density, once a week): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UluH0QmnwfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UluH0QmnwfM (ONE HOUR???) or dumpsters/dedicated crushers (high density, can be once a day): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDTrUs6TeNc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDTrUs6TeNc

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NovemberWhiskey 4y ago

You live in an apartment building that's 47 stories tall and has 350 units. Do you expect all of the residents individually to take bins out to the front of the building?

notacop31337 4y ago
I understand what you're saying but NYC isn't exactly the only city in the world with large apartment buildings.
jacobsenscott 4y ago
You would expect the apt building provides dumpsters
bmicraft 4y ago
Usually such buildings would have a garbage room with big bins that get emptied regularly - at least in sane cities.
asdff 4y ago
I've lived in a big apartment complex before. The invention that solves this problem is called a chute and a dumpster.
- ch4s3 4y ago
  Buildings here have chutes and compactors. There aren't any alleys in Manhattan and the sidewalks are mostly quite narrow. The solution would be to eliminate some parking to hold bins that can be emptied by trucks but it hasn't been politically feasible.
  - asdff 4y ago
    If you have chutes and trash rooms already, then there's no point to bringing the stuff out to the street for holding. In my building the trash would be taken from the trash room directly to the truck. The chute would just drop into a dumpster that workers would wheel out and the truck would flip it into the bed. Seems like it takes less labor than having workers bring bags to the road and then have the trash workers spend time putting the bags in the truck by hand versus with a hydraulic arm.
    - kneebonian 4y ago
      > Seems like it takes less labor than having workers bring bags to the road and then have the trash workers spend time putting the bags in the truck by hand versus with a hydraulic arm. You're getting to the heart of the problem. That would mean fewer workers and the sanitation union has a long and ironically sordid past of ensuring that less workers are never needed.
    - ch4s3 4y ago
      Well there are no alleys remember, so nowhere to pull up a truck other that on the street in front of the building. It’s also worth noting that the sanitation workers union fiercely opposes any mechanization in trash collection, the workers toss bags by hand. It’s absolutely ridiculous to see in person.

mnutt 4y ago

The sidewalks aren’t wide enough for the kinds of bins needed for the amount of trash generated (NYC is dense) and nobody wants to give up free parking spaces to put the bins in the street as of yet.

bmicraft 4y ago
Many cities have a regular bin-sized contraption where you throw you stuff in and it gets compacted into a big underground container that is part of the sidewalk. They then either get lifted and emptied of sucked empty by a garbage truck. The sidewalks are plenty wide for that, nyc doesn't even come close to how narrow some european cities without such problems are.
- mnutt 4y ago
  Are you referring to some sort of underground hatch that doesn’t take up any space on the sidewalk at all? That’d be very cool, just probably difficult to retrofit the whole city with.
  - nibbleshifter 4y ago
    The ones I've seen in Barcelona take up a fairly small amount of space. They do occupy some, but not much. Seems to work really well tbh.
  - em500 4y ago
    They do take up some space on the sidewalk, but less than a non-underground version. Here's what they look like: https://www.core77.com/posts/102208/Amsterdams-Smart-System-of-Underground-Garbage-Bins https://www.core77.com/posts/102208/Amsterdams-Smart-System-...
- TheCapeGreek 4y ago
  I've heard about this in the Netherlands I think, but don' think it's very common.
asdff 4y ago