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> Did they ignore them, or were they just not devaluing the lives of the sick and elderly? Not devaluing the lives of the elderly is implicitly devaluing the l

> Did they ignore them, or were they just not devaluing the lives of the sick and elderly? Not devaluing the lives of the elderly is implicitly devaluing the lives of the not elderly. This is a trade off that was given almost no consideration in the greater (US) discussion. > They do tho. Maybe not 100%, but to a degree they certainly do. The degree is extremely important here. Without a certain level of transmission prevented this benefit becomes nonexistent. See grandpa enough times and he’ll catch it. That you don’t know the degree but still felt safe seeing him is very concerning and you were likely mislead. > Not even sure what you're saying here. Choosing to focus on masks and vaccines while ignoring obesity removes are principled arguments for the former. The latter has benefits both against future pandemics of all kinds as well as broad public health benefits. Thus, anyone not raising hell about how fat America is while advocating for forced vaccination and mask wearing is playing politics and not really interested in public health outcomes. Like you, people claimed forced vaccinations were justified by externalities - but the same logic was not applied to forced weight loss.

moistly 4y ago
As if forcing weight loss could have happened fast enough to be useful.
- rajin444 4y ago
  The benefits apply to more than just Covid and if maintained for the rest of a persons life. It’s a higher up front linear cost with an exponentially higher payout.
  - mattdmrs 4y ago
    How do you even force weight lost?
BobbyJo 4y ago
> Not devaluing the lives of the elderly is implicitly devaluing the lives of the not elderly. This is a trade off that was given almost no consideration in the greater (US) discussion. It did though. We are going back to normal for the most part, despite the continuing risk to the elderly. Early lockdown was for everyone since very little was known about the disease. > Choosing to focus on masks and vaccines while ignoring obesity removes are principled arguments for the former. It's an obvious matter of practicality. Masks are easy and fast and will, statistically, do more good than a country wide weight loss drive. Would it be better long term if the country was fit? Yeah, for far more reasons than COVID. That's not practical though, as evidenced by the governments pre-existing desire and failure to make that happen. > Like you, people claimed forced vaccinations were justified by externalities - but the same logic was not applied to forced weight loss. Which is completely consistent with the state of the world pre-covid?

moistly 4y ago

As if forcing weight loss could have happened fast enough to be useful.

rajin444 4y ago
The benefits apply to more than just Covid and if maintained for the rest of a persons life. It’s a higher up front linear cost with an exponentially higher payout.
- mattdmrs 4y ago
  How do you even force weight lost?

BobbyJo 4y ago

> Not devaluing the lives of the elderly is implicitly devaluing the lives of the not elderly. This is a trade off that was given almost no consideration in the greater (US) discussion. It did though. We are going back to normal for the most part, despite the continuing risk to the elderly. Early lockdown was for everyone since very little was known about the disease. > Choosing to focus on masks and vaccines while ignoring obesity removes are principled arguments for the former. It's an obvious matter of practicality. Masks are easy and fast and will, statistically, do more good than a country wide weight loss drive. Would it be better long term if the country was fit? Yeah, for far more reasons than COVID. That's not practical though, as evidenced by the governments pre-existing desire and failure to make that happen. > Like you, people claimed forced vaccinations were justified by externalities - but the same logic was not applied to forced weight loss. Which is completely consistent with the state of the world pre-covid?