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A review of the above three exchanges: "Apple doesn't have dedicated support for established devs" "They do, I was in it" "Why don't they support all devs th

A review of the above three exchanges: "Apple doesn't have dedicated support for established devs" "They do, I was in it" "Why don't they support all devs this way? Apple sux." Added: "They do, you get 2 free support tickets" "Oh they do? It still wouldn't fix every problem. Apple still sux." In this lose-lose environment, I can only expect Apple will simply end up pissing people off no matter what it does. I realize we all know this but I've never seen it expressed so succinctly in a thread.

smoldesu 4y ago
The problem isn't Apple's lack of transparency (at least for me) but the fact that they charge $99/year for features that should be a God-given right. They will always piss people off as long as they charge them for a product that should be included with their computer by-default. Until then, I may as well demand Apple include a few rocks from Mars and astronaut ice-cream every year, at least then I'd be getting my $99's worth.
- unityByFreedom 4y ago
  > features that should be a God-given right. What features are you asking for that apply to this thread? You do not have a god given right for them to follow your policies. > They will always piss people off as long as they charge them for a product that should be included with their computer by-default. The goalposts move with every comment. You don't have the right to determine what parts of their products are free vs. paid.
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    Being able to develop and build an application I’ll only ever side load for myself should be available on any platform, for free. All the App Store stuff can be a billion dollars for all I care, but it’s a travesty that you need a friggin’ Mac and a hundred bucks to make software for your own damn phone.
    - russelg 4y ago
      You can sideload your own apps through Xcode without a full developer account. They only last for 7 days however, so you'll have to keep sideloading them.
counttheforks 4y ago
Have you submitted an app to the app store? Have you dealt with their reviewers? The stupidity of these reviewers is maddening. I'm certain I do not want a phone call with them, even though they are extorting $99/year from me.
- unityByFreedom 4y ago
  Everyone has faced this to some degree. You want to get your work or message out there and it gets shut down by the powers that be. The question is how to encourage a level playing field. You could have the government step in, however, that comes with its own issues. I wouldn't want a larger entity who has guns being the decision maker. Apple has been the vanguard of selling software for years. People don't buy desktop software anymore, and it wasn't all that successful to begin with. They do buy software on phones, though, and Apple enables an ecosystem that might not otherwise exist. It's not clear to me that Google needs paid apps. They were happy with ads before that.
nmfisher 4y ago
Ask yourself this - if we didn't need to pay to publish apps to the Store (or even less, if we could just publish apps that could be side-loaded), how many of us would voluntarily pay $99 per year for Apple's developer support? You could probably count them on one hand.
- gnicholas 4y ago
  If the $99 also gets you Apple's 'verified' stamp of approval that guarantees the app won't mess up your phone or drain your battery like crazy, the number might go up a bit. But I agree that it would be great if we could publish apps without the app review process, for users who don't care about verification.

smoldesu 4y ago

The problem isn't Apple's lack of transparency (at least for me) but the fact that they charge $99/year for features that should be a God-given right. They will always piss people off as long as they charge them for a product that should be included with their computer by-default. Until then, I may as well demand Apple include a few rocks from Mars and astronaut ice-cream every year, at least then I'd be getting my $99's worth.

unityByFreedom 4y ago
> features that should be a God-given right. What features are you asking for that apply to this thread? You do not have a god given right for them to follow your policies. > They will always piss people off as long as they charge them for a product that should be included with their computer by-default. The goalposts move with every comment. You don't have the right to determine what parts of their products are free vs. paid.
- ok_dad 4y ago
  Being able to develop and build an application I’ll only ever side load for myself should be available on any platform, for free. All the App Store stuff can be a billion dollars for all I care, but it’s a travesty that you need a friggin’ Mac and a hundred bucks to make software for your own damn phone.
  - russelg 4y ago
    You can sideload your own apps through Xcode without a full developer account. They only last for 7 days however, so you'll have to keep sideloading them.

counttheforks 4y ago

Have you submitted an app to the app store? Have you dealt with their reviewers? The stupidity of these reviewers is maddening. I'm certain I do not want a phone call with them, even though they are extorting $99/year from me.

unityByFreedom 4y ago
Everyone has faced this to some degree. You want to get your work or message out there and it gets shut down by the powers that be. The question is how to encourage a level playing field. You could have the government step in, however, that comes with its own issues. I wouldn't want a larger entity who has guns being the decision maker. Apple has been the vanguard of selling software for years. People don't buy desktop software anymore, and it wasn't all that successful to begin with. They do buy software on phones, though, and Apple enables an ecosystem that might not otherwise exist. It's not clear to me that Google needs paid apps. They were happy with ads before that.

nmfisher 4y ago

Ask yourself this - if we didn't need to pay to publish apps to the Store (or even less, if we could just publish apps that could be side-loaded), how many of us would voluntarily pay $99 per year for Apple's developer support? You could probably count them on one hand.

gnicholas 4y ago
If the $99 also gets you Apple's 'verified' stamp of approval that guarantees the app won't mess up your phone or drain your battery like crazy, the number might go up a bit. But I agree that it would be great if we could publish apps without the app review process, for users who don't care about verification.