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> This is an emergency No, this is hope. Converting the entire biomass of earth into homo sapiens is not the goal.

by lisper 4y ago

tomp 4y ago
Sperm count is falling in wild animals as well.
- sriacha 4y ago
  do you have a source for that?
  - tomp 4y ago
    Page 1 of Google https://theconversation.com/amp/male-fertility-how-everyday-chemicals-are-destroying-sperm-counts-in-humans-and-animals-158097 https://theconversation.com/amp/male-fertility-how-everyday-...
- lisper 4y ago
  That may be, but that is not what TFA was about. It was about human sperm counts dropping, and that is absolutely not an emergency. Humans are in no danger of going extinct.
  - siftrics 4y ago
    Why don't you just go hide in a corner and stop interacting with humans if you hate them so much?
    - lisper 4y ago
      There are no corners to hide in. The entire planet is infested with homo sapiens. (For the record: I don't hate humans. I just think the current supply is more than adequate, and that in the long run it would not be a bad thing if there were fewer then 8 billion of us alive at the same time.)
Dig1t 4y ago
This is dark. I will never understand how so many educated people have such an anti-humanist view of the world. Humans are awesome, intelligence is awesome. More humans means more amazing things. We are capable as a species of incredible things, and we have the ability to save our planet as well as continuing to grow. We cannot outgrow this planet and colonize other worlds, we cannot solve climate change, nuclear fusion, quantum computers, the great questions of physics without MORE smart people.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  Except you only need to look at a large number of countries with high populations (and often those with high fertility rates) and see little correlation with ability to achieve what you call "amazing things". A billion people with good access to necessary resources is going to achieve more than 10 billion living in poverty because we've largely trashed our planet's ability to support us.
  - Dig1t 4y ago
    A counterpoint: some of the biggest and best advances in the developed world occurred during or after a time of high fertility. The boomer generation is a good example. I'm not a boomer (I'm < 30), they get a lot of hate, but that generation basically invented the entirety of the modern world, without which we wouldn't even have the tools to understand climate change. If you want to achieve great things you need people to exist and do the work. Examples of high fertility rates combined with poverty are often correlated with dictatorships and corruption, in my opinion they are cultural.
- lisper 4y ago
  > Humans are awesome, Some humans are awesome. Other humans not so much. > intelligence is awesome. It is indeed, but intelligence is pretty unevenly distributed among humans. > More humans means more amazing things. It also means more stress on the planet's ecosystems. There are awesome things on earth besides humans, and one of the problems with humans is that too few of us seem to understand this. > we have the ability to save our planet In theory. The jury is very much out on whether we can actually do it. Personally, given what has been done to address climate change so far, I'll give long odds against. > We cannot outgrow this planet and colonize other worlds And who says that these are good things? If we can't even manage to bring this planet to a sustainable steady-state what makes you think we'll have better luck elsewhere? > without MORE smart people. More smart people is not the same thing as more people.

> This is an emergency No, this is hope. Converting the entire biomass of earth into homo sapiens is not the goal.

by lisper 4y ago

> This is an emergency No, this is hope. Converting the entire biomass of earth into homo sapiens is not the goal.

tomp 4y ago

Sperm count is falling in wild animals as well.

sriacha 4y ago
do you have a source for that?
- tomp 4y ago
  Page 1 of Google https://theconversation.com/amp/male-fertility-how-everyday-chemicals-are-destroying-sperm-counts-in-humans-and-animals-158097 https://theconversation.com/amp/male-fertility-how-everyday-...
lisper 4y ago
That may be, but that is not what TFA was about. It was about human sperm counts dropping, and that is absolutely not an emergency. Humans are in no danger of going extinct.
- siftrics 4y ago
  Why don't you just go hide in a corner and stop interacting with humans if you hate them so much?
  - lisper 4y ago
    There are no corners to hide in. The entire planet is infested with homo sapiens. (For the record: I don't hate humans. I just think the current supply is more than adequate, and that in the long run it would not be a bad thing if there were fewer then 8 billion of us alive at the same time.)

Dig1t 4y ago

This is dark. I will never understand how so many educated people have such an anti-humanist view of the world. Humans are awesome, intelligence is awesome. More humans means more amazing things. We are capable as a species of incredible things, and we have the ability to save our planet as well as continuing to grow. We cannot outgrow this planet and colonize other worlds, we cannot solve climate change, nuclear fusion, quantum computers, the great questions of physics without MORE smart people.

wizofaus 4y ago
Except you only need to look at a large number of countries with high populations (and often those with high fertility rates) and see little correlation with ability to achieve what you call "amazing things". A billion people with good access to necessary resources is going to achieve more than 10 billion living in poverty because we've largely trashed our planet's ability to support us.
- Dig1t 4y ago
  A counterpoint: some of the biggest and best advances in the developed world occurred during or after a time of high fertility. The boomer generation is a good example. I'm not a boomer (I'm < 30), they get a lot of hate, but that generation basically invented the entirety of the modern world, without which we wouldn't even have the tools to understand climate change. If you want to achieve great things you need people to exist and do the work. Examples of high fertility rates combined with poverty are often correlated with dictatorships and corruption, in my opinion they are cultural.
lisper 4y ago
> Humans are awesome, Some humans are awesome. Other humans not so much. > intelligence is awesome. It is indeed, but intelligence is pretty unevenly distributed among humans. > More humans means more amazing things. It also means more stress on the planet's ecosystems. There are awesome things on earth besides humans, and one of the problems with humans is that too few of us seem to understand this. > we have the ability to save our planet In theory. The jury is very much out on whether we can actually do it. Personally, given what has been done to address climate change so far, I'll give long odds against. > We cannot outgrow this planet and colonize other worlds And who says that these are good things? If we can't even manage to bring this planet to a sustainable steady-state what makes you think we'll have better luck elsewhere? > without MORE smart people. More smart people is not the same thing as more people.