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If Apple told the FBI to go pound sand in the San Bernardino shooter case, where the government wanted a back door to the iPhone, what makes you think they’re g

If Apple told the FBI to go pound sand in the San Bernardino shooter case, where the government wanted a back door to the iPhone, what makes you think they’re going to pressures by some crypto geeks?

sneak 4y ago
That was coordinated marketing between the FBI and Apple. Apple does not have the power or authority to tell the USG to pound sand: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv... There is already a backdoor in the iPhone, and Apple already preserves it for the FBI.
- snowwrestler 4y ago
  For those who don’t know: you can fully encrypt your iPhone backups and store them locally on your computer if you prefer. You do not need to use iCloud backup to use an iPhone. You can also skip backups entirely if you want.
willcipriano 4y ago
Yeah who do these crypto guys think they are the CCP?
- Spivak 4y ago
  It's actually kinda funny because it's exactly right. The US has less power than the CCP to control Apple. Perks of being too big to fail. Apple doesn't bend the knee to the CCP -- gtfo. Apple doesn't bend the knee to the US gov't -- five years and a massive political battle later some Apple exec gets dragged to a congressional hearing to get mildly berated by a 70 year old white dude who doesn't even care outside of scoring some political points for the next midterm election and a fine, maybe? Not too big though, it can't actually hurt them because that's jobs and American business.
  - foogazi 4y ago
    > The US has less power than the CCP to control Apple. The US has the same power as the CCP, it’s just that the US & CCP legal frameworks are different
stale2002 4y ago
> what makes you think they’re going to pressures by some crypto geeks? They wouldn't be the ones being pressured. Instead it would be lawmakers. The EU has already passed a law, and the USA is considering one, that has already passed out of committee. Governments can just start confiscating Apple's funds. What, is there going to be an Apple private military, that invades bank of America, and forces them at gone point to not follow a court order? Yeah no. The courts will order them to pay money, and the banks will send the money, no matter what Apple thinks. The Fines in EU would be something like 10% of global revenue. They can't ignore that.

sneak 4y ago

That was coordinated marketing between the FBI and Apple. Apple does not have the power or authority to tell the USG to pound sand: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive/exclusive-apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained-sources-idUSKBN1ZK1CT https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv... There is already a backdoor in the iPhone, and Apple already preserves it for the FBI.

snowwrestler 4y ago
For those who don’t know: you can fully encrypt your iPhone backups and store them locally on your computer if you prefer. You do not need to use iCloud backup to use an iPhone. You can also skip backups entirely if you want.

willcipriano 4y ago

Yeah who do these crypto guys think they are the CCP?

Spivak 4y ago
It's actually kinda funny because it's exactly right. The US has less power than the CCP to control Apple. Perks of being too big to fail. Apple doesn't bend the knee to the CCP -- gtfo. Apple doesn't bend the knee to the US gov't -- five years and a massive political battle later some Apple exec gets dragged to a congressional hearing to get mildly berated by a 70 year old white dude who doesn't even care outside of scoring some political points for the next midterm election and a fine, maybe? Not too big though, it can't actually hurt them because that's jobs and American business.
- foogazi 4y ago
  > The US has less power than the CCP to control Apple. The US has the same power as the CCP, it’s just that the US & CCP legal frameworks are different

stale2002 4y ago

> what makes you think they’re going to pressures by some crypto geeks? They wouldn't be the ones being pressured. Instead it would be lawmakers. The EU has already passed a law, and the USA is considering one, that has already passed out of committee. Governments can just start confiscating Apple's funds. What, is there going to be an Apple private military, that invades bank of America, and forces them at gone point to not follow a court order? Yeah no. The courts will order them to pay money, and the banks will send the money, no matter what Apple thinks. The Fines in EU would be something like 10% of global revenue. They can't ignore that.