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>Great news for the US. Great news for Apple, AMD, and Nvidia. Not so good news for Taiwan. The fact that the whole tech world is dependent on chips produced in

>Great news for the US. Great news for Apple, AMD, and Nvidia. Not so good news for Taiwan. The fact that the whole tech world is dependent on chips produced in Hsinchu is a huge advantage for the safety of Taiwan. Moving the fabs and talent further away from the island will not benefit the people of Taiwan at all. Naive question, can we relocate the people of Taiwan?

black_puppydog 4y ago
Think about that for a second: why would they want to be relocated? And when is the last time you can remember someone deciding "let's relocate these other people that I'm not part of" and that being okay? I mean, one of these relocations is literally called "march of tears".
- hammock 4y ago
  35 million or so Latin Americans have relocated themselves to the US, even piled into dark crowded trucks and given up their life savings to dangerous coyotes, to do so. I would imagine the the specter of Communist China knocking on your door and breathing down your neck would be a motivator for many Taiwanese. And there would be a great opportunity for the US to welcome them with open arms as allies
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  - puffoflogic 4y ago
    You're assuming the population of Taiwan views itself in the same position vis a vis CCP as the government of Taiwan does, which is not a historically probable claim, for all that the situation is quite complex.
    - hammock 4y ago
      As far as I can see no one in this thread was taking about “the government of Taiwan” (a complicated term in itself), just the people of Taiwan.
    - VincentEvans 4y ago
      Taiwan is a legitimate and robust representative democracy and can quite simply vote itself right into joining with the mainland. The fact that it’s not doing just that tells us that there isn’t a basis to claim that the wishes of populace are not taken into an account by the government. (And they have in fact just voted in a more pro-China government, so the comment may have a short shelf life). And not speaking to you directly, but contributing to the general discussion - US opposes China taking over Taiwan using force specifically. If Taiwan were to willingly join with China, one can imagine some conspiracy scenarios, but setting conspiracies aside, there isn’t anything anyone can and will do to prevent it.
  - AngryData 4y ago
    They aren't currently living that life so not that many people would want to leave, and leading an exodus of a couple percentage of their population would only hurt their position even more. Most people just rarely ever want to leave their homes until after a disaster has been realized. There is risks anywhere you live, they know their fight, and they are currently making a decent life. Rolling the dice somewhere else just wouldn't be that attractive of a position when it could easily be an immediately worse situation.
  - philwelch 4y ago
    A better example might be the wave of Vietnamese refugees who fled the country as the communists conquered the south. Still, being an ally isn’t about accepting a country’s refugees after they’ve been overrun by the enemy. It’s about helping them not be overrun in the first place.
killjoywashere 4y ago
Humans have strong ties to their land. Try getting a sick American rancher to go to the big city for treatment. The people of Taiwan will fight to the death or at least to the point that subjugation is inevitable. And then there will be a resistance.
mr_toad 4y ago
> Naive question, can we relocate the people of Taiwan? Relocating entire populations is considered a crime against humanity.
- hammock 4y ago
  Sitting here wondering why everyone is assuming I meant an involuntary relocation.. which is ludicrous

black_puppydog 4y ago

Think about that for a second: why would they want to be relocated? And when is the last time you can remember someone deciding "let's relocate these other people that I'm not part of" and that being okay? I mean, one of these relocations is literally called "march of tears".

hammock 4y ago
35 million or so Latin Americans have relocated themselves to the US, even piled into dark crowded trucks and given up their life savings to dangerous coyotes, to do so. I would imagine the the specter of Communist China knocking on your door and breathing down your neck would be a motivator for many Taiwanese. And there would be a great opportunity for the US to welcome them with open arms as allies
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- puffoflogic 4y ago
  You're assuming the population of Taiwan views itself in the same position vis a vis CCP as the government of Taiwan does, which is not a historically probable claim, for all that the situation is quite complex.
  - hammock 4y ago
    As far as I can see no one in this thread was taking about “the government of Taiwan” (a complicated term in itself), just the people of Taiwan.
  - VincentEvans 4y ago
    Taiwan is a legitimate and robust representative democracy and can quite simply vote itself right into joining with the mainland. The fact that it’s not doing just that tells us that there isn’t a basis to claim that the wishes of populace are not taken into an account by the government. (And they have in fact just voted in a more pro-China government, so the comment may have a short shelf life). And not speaking to you directly, but contributing to the general discussion - US opposes China taking over Taiwan using force specifically. If Taiwan were to willingly join with China, one can imagine some conspiracy scenarios, but setting conspiracies aside, there isn’t anything anyone can and will do to prevent it.
- AngryData 4y ago
  They aren't currently living that life so not that many people would want to leave, and leading an exodus of a couple percentage of their population would only hurt their position even more. Most people just rarely ever want to leave their homes until after a disaster has been realized. There is risks anywhere you live, they know their fight, and they are currently making a decent life. Rolling the dice somewhere else just wouldn't be that attractive of a position when it could easily be an immediately worse situation.
- philwelch 4y ago
  A better example might be the wave of Vietnamese refugees who fled the country as the communists conquered the south. Still, being an ally isn’t about accepting a country’s refugees after they’ve been overrun by the enemy. It’s about helping them not be overrun in the first place.

killjoywashere 4y ago

Humans have strong ties to their land. Try getting a sick American rancher to go to the big city for treatment. The people of Taiwan will fight to the death or at least to the point that subjugation is inevitable. And then there will be a resistance.

mr_toad 4y ago

> Naive question, can we relocate the people of Taiwan? Relocating entire populations is considered a crime against humanity.

hammock 4y ago
Sitting here wondering why everyone is assuming I meant an involuntary relocation.. which is ludicrous