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Apple wants a 30% on fees, not the good itself. This is consistent with the rest of their policies. Arguably that still isn't ok, but this is not an encroachmen

by madrox 4y ago

Apple wants a 30% on fees, not the good itself. This is consistent with the rest of their policies. Arguably that still isn't ok, but this is not an encroachment.

rdtwo 4y ago
So 30% of the eBay fees and 30% off the Amazon marketplace fees should be fair game
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
  That doesn't seem to hold up. If I buy something on eBay it's not any different from, e.g., buying stock on Robin Hood. There is an agreement between two parties, neither of whom are the people distributing the app, to make an exchange of money to [the eBay item] or stocks. Apple does not claim a cut of the exchange of stocks, but they do claim a cut of the transaction fees for the exchange of stocks. If eBay or Amazon charged a transaction fee to facilitate their transactions, that would be an in-app purchase of which Apple would claim 30%.
  - rdtwo 4y ago
    But they do, all eBay transactions have a 5-15% fee and Amazon 3rd part is the same
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
      I see. In that case, I'd agree these fees should be fair game by the same logic. That does make me curious what's different here, if anything.
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  - awinder 4y ago
    “Apple does not claim a cut of the exchange of stocks, but they do claim a cut of the transaction fees for the exchange of stocks.” Are you sure / how? I’m not going to sign up for robinhood to confirm but my brokerage transacts with my bank, not in-app purchasing, pretty sure robinhood is the same. I’m pretty sure the differentiation is that stocks aren’t considered digital goods. And neither is coinbase’s mainline business which is allowed to facilitate buying & selling crypto without paying fees, even on their transaction fees, which users pay.
ldoughty 4y ago
should they get 30% of my Amazon Prime fee? If not.. Could Coinbase Wallet offer Coinbase Wallet Prime for. $100 that provides free transactions on qualifying orders? All these rules feel arbitrary to carve out as much money as they can from "lesser people" without upsetting the larger players that have a budget to afford a lawsuit.
- halostatue 4y ago
  If your Amazon Prime fee were paid via in-app purchase, why not? The Coinbase thing is happening because it’s an all-digital purchase. There’s no physical benefit being transferred to the customer, as NFTs are wholly digital. Apple has been consistent about the fee being applied to all digital-only purchases, including for virtual yoga classes. One can argue whether 30% is still an appropriate amount (compared to 15 years ago, it’s still a steal where pre-iPhone App Store models would take 50–75% of the revenue), but people should stop arguing in bad faith on this.
Dma54rhs 4y ago
Next is profit fees and transaction fees form your banking app. Hey not salary, after all Apple is providing the platform for banks. Peasants can always ask their salary in cash ir build their own platform.
makestuff 4y ago
Robinhood gets paid for order flow should apple get 30% of that each time a trade is executed on the platform? Apple should also take a fee from all trading apps that charge a fee on options trades in this case.
- foogazi 4y ago
  The 30% cut is only for digital goods sold in app That’s why Kindle doesn’t sell directly in the ios app Coinbase could do the same thing - sell it on the website

by madrox 4y ago

Apple wants a 30% on fees, not the good itself. This is consistent with the rest of their policies. Arguably that still isn't ok, but this is not an encroachment.

rdtwo 4y ago

So 30% of the eBay fees and 30% off the Amazon marketplace fees should be fair game

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
That doesn't seem to hold up. If I buy something on eBay it's not any different from, e.g., buying stock on Robin Hood. There is an agreement between two parties, neither of whom are the people distributing the app, to make an exchange of money to [the eBay item] or stocks. Apple does not claim a cut of the exchange of stocks, but they do claim a cut of the transaction fees for the exchange of stocks. If eBay or Amazon charged a transaction fee to facilitate their transactions, that would be an in-app purchase of which Apple would claim 30%.
- rdtwo 4y ago
  But they do, all eBay transactions have a 5-15% fee and Amazon 3rd part is the same
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago
    I see. In that case, I'd agree these fees should be fair game by the same logic. That does make me curious what's different here, if anything.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- awinder 4y ago
  “Apple does not claim a cut of the exchange of stocks, but they do claim a cut of the transaction fees for the exchange of stocks.” Are you sure / how? I’m not going to sign up for robinhood to confirm but my brokerage transacts with my bank, not in-app purchasing, pretty sure robinhood is the same. I’m pretty sure the differentiation is that stocks aren’t considered digital goods. And neither is coinbase’s mainline business which is allowed to facilitate buying & selling crypto without paying fees, even on their transaction fees, which users pay.

ldoughty 4y ago

should they get 30% of my Amazon Prime fee? If not.. Could Coinbase Wallet offer Coinbase Wallet Prime for. $100 that provides free transactions on qualifying orders? All these rules feel arbitrary to carve out as much money as they can from "lesser people" without upsetting the larger players that have a budget to afford a lawsuit.

halostatue 4y ago
If your Amazon Prime fee were paid via in-app purchase, why not? The Coinbase thing is happening because it’s an all-digital purchase. There’s no physical benefit being transferred to the customer, as NFTs are wholly digital. Apple has been consistent about the fee being applied to all digital-only purchases, including for virtual yoga classes. One can argue whether 30% is still an appropriate amount (compared to 15 years ago, it’s still a steal where pre-iPhone App Store models would take 50–75% of the revenue), but people should stop arguing in bad faith on this.

Dma54rhs 4y ago

Next is profit fees and transaction fees form your banking app. Hey not salary, after all Apple is providing the platform for banks. Peasants can always ask their salary in cash ir build their own platform.

makestuff 4y ago

Robinhood gets paid for order flow should apple get 30% of that each time a trade is executed on the platform? Apple should also take a fee from all trading apps that charge a fee on options trades in this case.

foogazi 4y ago
The 30% cut is only for digital goods sold in app That’s why Kindle doesn’t sell directly in the ios app Coinbase could do the same thing - sell it on the website